deo
Emperor
For me all countries, barbarian tribes, nations etc. that have been created before the fall of rome are civilizations. For example the amercans, why are the americans a Civ? They are a mix of europeans, Africans and Native Americans. And the Englsh... They are a part of the Britons and Anglo-Saxons. The Russians are a part of the Sllavs etc. All those nations for me they are only nations and not civs...