Everyone has the right to their opinion. If someone thinks Civ3 sucks, and comes here to vent I am totally supportive of that. If you dont agree with what he or she writes then you have the option stating your view. This kind of exchange makes for a better forum, as long as people are not rude or cursing etc, its all good. Furthermore does it occur to anyone that the consumer dictates the markets? Almost EVERY company tries to get the most money out of the customer, they push the limit all the time. For them, its a balance between how much money they can get from the consumer before that consumer will get fed up consumer gets fed up, they dont buy and thus sales goes down, next thing you know the company starts throwing in extras, promotions, anything to get you to buy. I think Firaxis is marketing this game very smartly. They are most definitely pushing the limit, as long as people purchase the game without reservation they can get away with it. Some people here are complaining, and I put myself in with that group, I dont care for paying extra money when I dont have too. If I think the company is squeezing me for every dollar it is my right as a consumer to resist this or not to go along with it.