what if nuclear power was not possible, and nuclaer weapons could not exist?

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yes u will think it is mostly about WW2, but WW2 was practilcy over anyways, so how would the cold war had been if there were no nukes and ICBMs? would the Warsaw pact had started a war W Nato? well it would had been easier since a conventional war would be more acceptable tahn nuclear radiation killing everyone.......or would chemical and biological weapons had been taken to the same point as nukes?

edit: no this thread is not about why nuclear weapons would had never worked scientifictly..........thdis is about what wuld it had happened if ICBMs had no big role in the cold war.
 
After WWII, Stalin was not immediately ready to fight a war. The Russian people had lost millons of fighting men(which drastically affected the economy), and they did not want to continue a fight. If the technological lead of the West in conventional weaponry had continued to be the same, then as time passed the chance for Soviet victory or involvment in a war lessened. The Soviets would have probably gone to war over Cuba if they had begun transporting large amounts of aircraft and tanks there(instead of nukes.) Nato and the Warsaw Pact would have formed, nukes weren't the main issue in their formation. The Russians, as I have said, would have fought a war in the 1960's.

Sorry if I ramble on.:)
 
well if you think about it, nuclear fission or even fusion would've eventually came about within the century Einstien had already explained his theory of "creating" (although "physic"ally not possible to therory before that time) energy, which we just took upon in creating the nuclear weaponary we have now, either the british or the russians or another world superpower or strong power would've taken into account also although the hydrogen bomb which uses the forceing of the fusion of two hydrogen to release huge amounts of energy sorta came about of the atom bomb it still used different discoveries and theroies of post WWII era which could've been considered to be the equivilent of nuclear weapons had they not existed, hopefully this made sense, and then also uranium has to be taken into account we would've found a use with this element although it would be considered more chemical warfare? then anything else it still would've given off radiation from trying to release all of it's excess electrons. And don't forget istopes of elements can be highly dangerous, well i'll stop talking although i have some more to say.
 
The Cold War would have been a whole lot hotter, if it wasn't for the nukes...
 
If not for the invention of a nuclear weapon, we'd still have bio-chemical and conventional ballistic missiles. Nuclear fission just made the warheads more destructive.

Easy answer, we would have just built more conventional missiles.
 
The idea for harnacing nuclear power for civilian purposes (eg. energy) came from those who developed the first nuclear weapon. It is tragic that most inventions are first used as weapons, but there is little to be done in that dirrection.
We must also aknoledge that before we are able to harnace nuclear fusion power, we build a hidrogen bomb (nuclear fusion bomb - the H bomb... vs. the standard nuclear fission momb - the A bomb).
 
The idea for harnacing nuclear power for civilian purposes (eg. energy) came from those who developed the first nuclear weapon. It is tragic that most inventions are first used as weapons, but there is little to be done in that dirrection.

We must also aknoledge that before we are able to harnace nuclear fusion power, we build a hidrogen bomb (nuclear fusion bomb - the H bomb... vs. the standard nuclear fission bomb - the A bomb).

Therefore it is highly unlikely that nuclear power can be viewed anything other than related to the nuclear bomb.
 
For starters, we would not be here. Without nuclear power, thereis no sunlight. A better question would be what if The Manhattan Project had failed. It is understood that the German program was under the impression that the amount of fissionable material would be the size of a beanbag chair. The American project never got rolling until two (German Jewish) little known physicists deduced that the actual size was more like an orange, or maybe a lime. Once this was reviewed and accepted as good science, the push to develop the bomb became, key word here, fundable.

Take away that insight, say into a concentration camp, and all the effort that went into Manhattan goes into conventional war production, and the world is very different after the war.

I must disagree with insanewarrior. It is much easier to build a reactor than to build a bomb. With the machinery of a massive structure available, it is relatively aesy to control the reaction. Stuffing it all into a portable package is the hard part. The economic advantages of fissionable fuel are sufficiently great that nuclear power would occur within a generation at least, say 1960. I can easily see scientific pundits telling students that while nuclear power is feasible, even easy after the basic engineering is done, a nuclear weapon is theoretically impossible.

What would be interesting is the political impact of a Cold War without the threat of the bomb. The Russians became very good with chemical and bioweapons as it is. What if the only thing keeping Stalin out of Berlin in the 1950's was the threat of conventional NATO arms? Would the space race have heated up without the need to build missiles? What impact on the oil situation is nuclear power divorced from military overtones? Would radiation have connotations of cancer treatments?

Interesting.
 
I think WW2 caused so much devestation it would've detered people from going to major wars anyway. Add to that the fact both sids would probably have developed other weapons to deter each other and you've got an almost identical situation.

And ofcource since nukes use a very basic concept in physics if it wasn't possible man kind wouldn't have been created :D
 
It is inevitable - the discovering of nuke energy is a progressive step of science.
But anyway if there were no nukes the world would have more wars and violence. No country will offend any other that has nuclear weapons.
 
Nuclear weapons can easily be replaced with bio-chemical or conventional warheads.

The better question would be, what if the ballistic missile had never been developed?
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
Nuclear weapons can easily be replaced with bio-chemical or conventional warheads.

The better question would be, what if the ballistic missile had never been developed?

Good point. Yet, missiles (as in gunpowder missles or more rough --- fireworks) had been arround for 1-2.000 years !!!

Attack missiles were used in the American independence war and were proven unreliable. What if they had done some more research in the area?

The fact is, balistic missiles were more prone to be developed because they had been invisioned for centuries, while the nuclear bomb was only for two decades !!
 
Missiles are a terrible delivery system. Air freight is much more reliable, not to mention cheaper. There is an old joke: close only conts in horseshoes and nuclear weapons. Water detonation gives maximum possible results.

BTW Did anyone see Peacemaker? At the end of the movie enough plutonium has been released in the financial district of NY to render the bulk of lower Manhattan island a graveyard. 1,000,000 dead minimum. And they walk away smiling. Does ANYONE understand how poisonous plutonium is?

J
 
Originally posted by onejayhawk
Does ANYONE understand how poisonous plutonium is?

J

If you swallowed a few ounces of plutonium, you'd be dead of poisoning long before the radiation could kill you.
 
The stuff is flammable. Like Sodium, though not as vigorous. If you burned a few ounces, say in an explosion, you could kill half of Queens: the downwind half. This is why "dirty" bombs are such a threat. A few micrograms is enough. The lethal amount has to be backlit to be visible.

But if you want to injest it, then your urine would kill everyone downstream for 100 miles. I leave that to you.

J
 
If the sun wouldn't work would developed in this planet. The Marsians,who are green with big eyes and terefore aren't dependent on the sun, would still develop ofcource ;)
 
Originally posted by Leglaen
After WWII, Stalin was not immediately ready to fight a war.

A right wing official line seems to be that if it had not been for Western nukes; the USSR would invaded with a near infinite amount of tanks (replacing the 19th century cossacks).

It is clear that the Russians wished to spread socialist and communist thinking; but I understand that this was very much a political imperative and as a political process; albeit arguably almost evangelistic in the same way that Mormon's, Muslims and Witnesses are enjoined to spread their religion.

What real evidence is there that Stalin or the Russians
ever wanted to start a major war against the West?


The USSR fell 10 years ago. I have seen no articles in
the press reproducing maps and plans of such aggression.
Where is the Frankfurt by Monday; Paris by Wednesday;
Rome by Sunday, London by Xmas or whatever;.. etc soviet invasion plan?

Anybody have any good URLs on this?

Maybe these aggressive invasion plans never really existed. If they did were they ever anything more than theoretical military training exercise plans?
 
If we didn't have nukes and biochemical weapons I'm not kidding when I say the USA would rule the world, entirely. No joke.
 
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