dragodon64
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I can't quite tell just what a ballista elephant is, but it sounds cool!
What is your favorite new BtS Civ?
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I voted for the Dutch, mostly because of who they are and that I enjoyed playing as Catherine in the Vanilla Civ 4. (Because of the traits, not because she is a saucy tart...that is another poll on this site! 
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I'm also excited to try the Mayans, Ethiopians and Khmer....completely because of the game and not their history. I am sure they are impressive, but I am more interested in European history.
)I'm also excited to try the Mayans, Ethiopians and Khmer....completely because of the game and not their history. I am sure they are impressive, but I am more interested in European history.
Squidward117
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I voted for Byzantines since their leader has my favorite civ traits. 
Aramazd
Deity
Maya, I've always liked the Maya
TheLastOne36
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After seeing the Temples near Cancun my heart's been sold to the Maya. I'm really happy there in.
Bast
Protector of Cats
I was so excited to know Babylon was in that I voted for them.
But my new Civ would have tobe HRE. So that's one more for HRE.
But my new Civ would have tobe HRE. So that's one more for HRE.
dragodon64
Noble
As much as i like to argue on the history threads, i'll go with gameplay and say Dutch/HRE (oh... the shame i nearly voted for the HRE)
Duncan_Idaho
Chieftain
The Native Americans! Not discussing the name
But mmm, is it only me seeing the synergy between an organized leader (Darius) and immortals? Financial at that
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But mmm, is it only me seeing the synergy between an organized leader (Darius) and immortals? Financial at that
!PMabey
Warlord
The Native Americans! Not discussing the name
But mmm, is it only me seeing the synergy between an organized leader (Darius) and immortals? Financial at that
No its not only you but the persians arent a new civ.
I voted for Maya. Holkan rush anyone?
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
i chose the Byzantines becuase they're cool. flavorfully.
dutchking
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Pikkis
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I voted for Portuguese. It has the best UB, and Joao II has intermediate-class combination, Exp/Imp. Though Imperialistic isn't powerful compred to other traits, it has good synergy with Expansive allowing very fast early expanding. Carrack is also good UU, while not the best. Babylonian, Dutch and Khmer UUs don't appear to be very powerful, as don't Ethiopian, Mayan and Sumerian UBs either. Trait combos of Justinian I and Charlemagne are even worse than Joao II's.
Lachlan
Great Builder of Civs !
I voted HRE because Christianity was united
Alright I'll bite the bullet *flameshield on*.
I voted HRE because I actually like them historically. Medieval history really interests me and to me, feudal France and the HRE are *the* best examples of true feudalism - both had figurehead royalties that made significant use of vassalage and the feudal system to build large empires. Even if the HRE was a diverse grouping of cities, they STILL answered to the Kaiser and the Kaiser was involved in military affairs with the pope. Sure, a lot of the HRE provinces didn't like the Kaiser but this is feudalism we are talking about - the time of heavy handed politics and lip service to authority while taking as much power as you can.
You could argue that ALL of the feudal states don't really count as nations or civilizations because of how feudalism worked - feudal Europe had more in common sociopolitically with ancient greece and its city-states then the modern countries that so many of these debates focus on. I could think of better Kaisers/Emperors then Charlemagne, but consider that Charlemagne built both the HRE and what would evolve into feudal France, I think he is a good choice for a leader that exemplifies the birth and structure of feudalism.
Yes, yes they need some sort of Eastern European civ - the Medieval Poles or Hungarians come to mind - but thats what mods are for and you can't deny that the HRE deserves a place in the game. The game already has several examples of successor civs (sumerians, babylonians, arabs, and ottomans are all built on the same region of people for example) so I don't see the problem with having the Celts/Romans/HRE/French/Germans in the game for the same reason.
I voted HRE because I actually like them historically. Medieval history really interests me and to me, feudal France and the HRE are *the* best examples of true feudalism - both had figurehead royalties that made significant use of vassalage and the feudal system to build large empires. Even if the HRE was a diverse grouping of cities, they STILL answered to the Kaiser and the Kaiser was involved in military affairs with the pope. Sure, a lot of the HRE provinces didn't like the Kaiser but this is feudalism we are talking about - the time of heavy handed politics and lip service to authority while taking as much power as you can.
You could argue that ALL of the feudal states don't really count as nations or civilizations because of how feudalism worked - feudal Europe had more in common sociopolitically with ancient greece and its city-states then the modern countries that so many of these debates focus on. I could think of better Kaisers/Emperors then Charlemagne, but consider that Charlemagne built both the HRE and what would evolve into feudal France, I think he is a good choice for a leader that exemplifies the birth and structure of feudalism.
Yes, yes they need some sort of Eastern European civ - the Medieval Poles or Hungarians come to mind - but thats what mods are for and you can't deny that the HRE deserves a place in the game. The game already has several examples of successor civs (sumerians, babylonians, arabs, and ottomans are all built on the same region of people for example) so I don't see the problem with having the Celts/Romans/HRE/French/Germans in the game for the same reason.
And Lachlan, The HRE wasn't Holy, Roman, or an Empire (love that quote).
The unification of Christianity into a mainstream european religion was Emperor Constantine of the Romans. The HRE didn't exist until almost a millenia after the death of christ, while the Romans were still around (thus Constantinople). The HRE actually defied Papal authority, feeling that the Kaiser was the true Pope and that the Pope was a usurper. The HRE probably did more to DISRUPT european Christianity then to unify it.
Constantine converts to Christianity on his death bed and the European world as we know it changes, replacing the Jovian gods with JC.
The unification of Christianity into a mainstream european religion was Emperor Constantine of the Romans. The HRE didn't exist until almost a millenia after the death of christ, while the Romans were still around (thus Constantinople). The HRE actually defied Papal authority, feeling that the Kaiser was the true Pope and that the Pope was a usurper. The HRE probably did more to DISRUPT european Christianity then to unify it.
Constantine converts to Christianity on his death bed and the European world as we know it changes, replacing the Jovian gods with JC.
dutchking
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Yes, but I think Charlemagne has the best unit...but anyway, it's not about how good they are, which is your favorite?
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