What is your Utopia?

[Hail]

Where do disabled people fit into your plan?

there are no disabled people in an utopia: the whole concept of an utopia contradicts the very existence of disabled people

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The bankers and money masters pretty much run government of US and it's
fundamental institutions. The puppet masters utilizing their hold on media give the masses a "two-party (but in reality it's only one)" system where they think they choose one out of the two puppets presented to them (who both work for the bankers) and put on a great shoah for the masses so it doesn't really matter who is president of USA because the power is in reality retained by the plutocracy.

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exactly
power and money always come together. every and any government system in time converges to a plutocracy

and

Spoiler :

of course there is no place like Hell: all souls are equal.
all are tortured equally viciously. as communistic as it gets!

 

[Snoopaloop]

There are only about 2 posts (OP included) which even slightly have to do with Civ5. Isn't there a different forum a Mod can move this to?

 

[Disgustipated]

Yeah but USSR was a swine eat swine of totalitarian nightmare. Till the majorities got tired of all the corruption and living in constant terror and discrimination for some "union's commonwealth".

It's not really different than the american "union" xept a little less totalitarian (but that'll change soon, we see it happening right before our eyes). The state has a bigger monopoly over the media than in USSR's case so there isn't that much of a need to send anyone to the gulag camps for speaking out the truth even though occasionally it happens, brave reporters speak out that is. The bankers and money masters pretty much run government of US and it's fundamental institutions. The puppet masters utilizing their hold on media give the masses a "two-party (but in reality it's only one)" system where they think they choose one out of the two puppets presented to them (who both work for the bankers) and put on a great shoah for the masses so it doesn't really matter who is president of USA because the power is in reality retained by the plutocracy. And they keep telling and brainwashing the masses over and over again that "your vote counts" and "you are free" while convincing them that that is democracy when in reality it's psychological mind control.US government employs some of the most gifted psychologists in the world to devise their political strategies. Those who run USA just take on a slightly less extremist strategy to hold onto power than the political strategy soviets used.

My aunt always told me..."USA's foundation starts on the US penny and ends on the US dollar." when this fiat currency utterly collapses from all the corruption this empire will breathe it's last. And the same thing goes for the European "Union" imo.

it isn't that bad. You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Both the right and the left are guilty of these crazy theories.

Yes money is power, there is no denying that. Do you really think Obama consulted the bankers when he pushed for his health care plan? Do you really think bankers stand to benefit from this at all? No. That's why Wall Street took a dip after it passed.

Bush cared more about defense contractors (starting 2 illegal wars) than he did about bankers. War was the central them to his presidency. Yes he was light on Wall Street, but he really just continued policies from the previous administrations.

You can argue presidents are influences by special interest groups (it's obvious they are), but they aren't controlled by bankers. That's lunacy. The 2 parties have different special interest groups. The left have unions and government workers. Many people do profit from a larger inneficient and corrupt government. The larger the government the more easy it is to steal from it. The republican special interest are military contractors and large corporations. They profit from wars and lower taxes.

 

[cr0ws]

One other thing...if I lived in USA I'd dig for my own ground water because the federal government is definitely tainting their tap water with "dumbing down" chemicals. It's why the average american is having a harder and harder time to think clearly and rationally to see what is happening around them. Those who run USA are following the instructions of the Talmud clearly...unfortunately for them they are also slowly creating a Frankenstein monster out of that society that'll one day kill it's creator.


Igor you fool! you have brought me the wrong brains!

 

[Hustapha Thool]

A spoon, a fork, a bottle, and a cork

 

[Brian Boru]

Sadly, no Utopia for us. But maybe for the next [or next-but-one] evolution of humans. Hopefully some of the big design flaws in Homo Sapiens will be decreased or eliminated in Homo Lessdumb or Homo Notdumb

 

[Schuesseled]

Where do disabled people fit into your plan?

there are no disabled people in an utopia: the whole concept of an utopia contradicts the very existence of disabled people

There is an example of the fine line between a uptopia and dystopia.

(Are there no disabled people because medicine has cured all ailments or are the cripples sent to work and die in the abysmal depths of the power station beneath the city.)

 

[Hail]

(Are there no disabled people because medicine has cured all ailments or are the cripples sent to work and die in the abysmal depths of the power station beneath the city.)

having cripples and retards working at a power station is suboptimal

our pragmatic infinitely wise AI overlords will never allow that

Spoiler :

it is probably more optimal to turn retards and cripples directly into methane gas to help those, with a bigger utility potential, achieve more

would a cynical/pragmatic meritocracy qualify for an utopia?

 

[DeepQantas]

What did he get right? He basically just says "utopia," and never includes any details about how this works or what form of government is used. Everyone "just gets along." Right.

A society is not judged by its grand achievements or the monuments it builds, but by the kind of people it produces.

That being said, I am kinda appalled at the bribery going on to curry favor with the starship captains.

 

[Purpureus]

Communism was a good idea, but, it was preformed wrong. Everybody know that.
And first christians lived in comunas. You know, they would sold everything and gave money for community. That's communism. It's ironic how Church is vs communism. Yes, but against such a communism as it was preformed, not against this first kind of communism :.

Regarding that in Civ V we have Piety vs. Rationalism. I think it illustrates this pretty good. There is no black and white separation here, of course, but pure rationalism and the shifiting of the view in regards to the essence of the human being.

The first christians were pietist by excellence. They were not living in communas - that was not general nor was a teaching of the aspotles. Other early christians still had their own homes, all of them were very generous towards those who really needed help.

And I really wish most of the people really read more of the teachings of Marx, Engels and others and see the true hatefull nature of the communist ideology since it's birth.

I do not deny the cruel fate of many of those who were working in the growing industry in the 19th century. But it did not justify in any way the hate-wave that the communists (the real ones, the "true" ones envisioned and wanted). They saw only one solution in the elimination of poverty: the elimination of the rich (not only as a "class" but even physical removal of actual persons). There have been text-book operation according to marxist manuals to physically remove the rural "elite" from countries in Eastern Europe...

From the historical point of view there is NO face of communism that this world has not seen. Eastern Europe is still out of order because of it... I wish people would not consider communism as anything less than a criminal ideology, same as "national-socialism"(the nazi party).

Communism is no utopia, not even close... Communism is a nightmare and it offers only lies to it's followers. There is no equality among humans there is only equal rights - the two principles are not the same. The first is a envy-based objective while the second is a noble principle. Christianity is not about equality, it is about community and communion, but this is not the place for this debate.

As I said I find the way the social policies are depicted (based on previews, of course) as realistic as possible for the game situations. I am really looking forward to playing the real deal.


Hope I did not bore anyone with my rather long pseudo-philosophic monologue.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Just for an interesting point, there are 116 possible utopias in Civ V (assumin Rationalism - Piety and Liberty+Freedom-Autocracy are the only conflicts)

 

[SalmonSoil]

Communism is no utopia, not even close... Communism is a nightmare and it offers only lies to it's followers. There is no equality among humans there is only equal rights - the two principles are not the same. The first is a envy-based objective while the second is a noble principle. Christianity is not about equality, it is about community and communion, but this is not the place for this debate.

Equality of outcome and Equality of opportunity. Unforntunatly in the real world equality of opportunity is largely effected by equality of outcome (Your parents wealth or class can heavily effect your quality of education.)

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

If you wonder which policies to pursue as a Russian player, here is the answer !

 

[Sciguy001]

If you wonder which policies to pursue as a Russian player, here is the answer !

Wow its funny how much this article coincidentally relates to CiV, "Russia has traditionally been ruled Autocratically" and how they used the word "order" to describe the opposite of freedom. So my guess would be Order, Autocracy, and Tradition

 

[SalmonSoil]

Wow its funny how much this article coincidentally relates to CiV, "Russia has traditionally been ruled Autocratically" and how they used the word "order" to describe the opposite of freedom. So my guess would be Order, Autocracy, and Tradition

They don't use order as the opposite to freedom, they just asked people what was more important to them. It's like asking someone if they prefer money or love, both things are not exclusive.
This is also, thankfully, how freedom and order are portrayed in civ.

 

[cr0ws]

If you wonder which policies to pursue as a Russian player, here is the answer !

Political propaganda, more empty promises, more false claims of "equality",more hidden agendas all the while the oligarchy elite desperately look for ways to bound and gag the masses. Sorry but this has all been said before during the communist's rampage and power grab period of the USSR.