What would happen if the U.S. got out of the Mideast and Israel was disarmed?

[asbestos]

I believe that I outlined my thinking for each of those points. It is true that I am not an expert on the politics on the region. Please stop claiming that I need to be held to that standard. I am stating my opinion. Feel free to disagree, you may be correct. There is no reason to keep attacking my lack of expertise on the subject. I grant that, so let's move on.

Why must I note that Israel isn't innocent. I think Israel's actions can only be seen as aggressive and counter productive. I think neither side has seemed even a little bit serious about peace. How does that change what we have been discussing?

I don't know why you are talking like I don't understand the concept of rhetoric. Clearly, it is just that I think Iranian leadership is serious. It isn't like I think we live in the world from that stupid movie where people had never even thought to lie to others before.

Again, being ignorant of something doesn't give you the right to make whatever ad hoc claims you like about it. What if this was a thread about biology and I said something like "humans actually have a fourth appendix", then qualified that with "this is just my opinion"? At worst I'd be a trolling, at best my post would be spam. Now, if you don't want to be held to a certain standard of intellectual rigor, I can understand that, but then I also don't see the need to ever read your posts or to consult you for information on the topic.

 

[wilycoyote]

Again, being ignorant of something doesn't give you the right to make whatever ad hoc claims you like about it. What if this was a thread about biology and I said something like "humans actually have a fourth appendix", then qualified that with "this is just my opinion"? At worst I'd be a trolling, at best my post would be spam. Now, if you don't want to be held to a certain standard of intellectual rigor, I can understand that, but then I also don't see the need to ever read your posts or to consult you for information on the topic.

Really, I don't have a right to an uninformed position? Is that really your argument?

We aren't talking about a factual issue since no one can see into the future. That is a HUGE difference. PROVE me wrong and I will gladly change my opinion. Since you can't, I have a right to that opinion.

Even if I am right, there is no need to consult me for information. I wouldn't come to this thread if I were the POTUS to form foreign policy. Do what you like, I won't feel offended if you ignore me. But, there is no constructive reason to not let others have their opinions on subjects that have no provable answer.

 

[asbestos]

Really, I don't have a right to an uninformed position? Is that really your argument?

We aren't talking about a factual issue since no one can see into the future. That is a HUGE difference. PROVE me wrong and I will gladly change my opinion. Since you can't, I have a right to that opinion.

Even if I am right, there is no need to consult me for information. I wouldn't come to this thread if I were the POTUS to form foreign policy. Do what you like, I won't feel offended if you ignore me. But, there is no constructive reason to not let others have their opinions on subjects that have no provable answer.

You have a right to uninformed speech, but you don't have a right to be taken seriously if you say something ridiculous.

 

[wilycoyote]

You have a right to uninformed speech, but you don't have a right to be taken seriously if you say something ridiculous.

Okay I'm dropping this after this.

I never asked to be taken seriously. As I said, do as you wish. Ignore me. Think I'm an idiot. Think I'm a Republican. I don't care.

Okay, now I'm done!

 

[civ2]

My suggested option:
Moshiach comes, whether after or instead of Israel's destruction by immediate attack by ALL Arabs.
I prefer the second, though.
Cause otherwise, "Israel stops existing, and antisemitism in the entire world jumps to Everest highs" is the only option.
No other realistic scenarios possible.
Neither is real peace realistic there otherwise, too.
And, no, BOTH sides are the reason, though Israel only by being stupid to trust a rabid dog's promises.
(This isn't an "anti-Arab" post, but rather an "anti-TERRORIST" one. "Normal" Arabs en masse also suffer from them. Directly or indirectly.)