When to build Stonehenge?

[alcaras]

I've been playing Celts lately, and their Charismatic and start with Mysticism, thus making Stonehenge seem like a nice early build. Also, SH's Great Prophet would be nice to building a shrine for my early religion.

However, I'm not sure where to fit it in my build order...

Right now, I start with:
Warrior / Worker / Settler / Worker

But recently I've had other civs finish Stonehenge while I'm still on my second worker -- what to do?

Note: I play MP and thus Warrior-first is a necessity if I don't want to die to a scouting warrior.

Two questions:
1. How are these other civs getting Stonehenge out so early?
2. Where should I put Stonehenge in my build order?

And a dream feature for Civ:
game replays, so I can watch MP games and learn what my opponents did (knowing what they teched, built, etc. -- not just the game summary map screen in SP)

Thanks!

 

[alex sword]

I don't think stonehedge is a really important thing. Its benefits easily could be provided by libraries. Pyramids provided benefits are much more important and could not be replaced by usual buildings. Consider chopping and whipping for early wonders rush .

 

[Ruler]

EDIT: Sorry this was MP thread. Shouldn't Multi Players be in their own forum.

I play on Immortal I can't live without Charismatic and Stonehenge (Not necessary though.) Base happiness on higher levels just kills you. Lets say your base happiness is 4 for your second city, what can you do with it, the answer is not too much, if you've enough food you can run 2 scientist and put one citizen on hammers and what isn't always enough to pump out units for your first war so whipping is needed and you can be sure you're going backward like now tomorrow. Charismatic and Stonehenge it's a different you've enough citizen to run 2 scientist and put couple to work on hills and put one working on cottages too if you like and you can avoid whipping.

In short, ffter I've connected some food resourcers I go for BW after that I maximize my production in my Capital and use a worker to chop Stonehenge.

My building order is usually, worker, (1/2/3x) Warrior depends on how much fogbustin is needed and then Stonehenge it's different if I start with seafood, after Fishing I build (1/2x) workboat then I grow and whip my first worker out. So little bit different than yours I start to build my first Settlers AFTER Stonehenge.

 

[Fye]

For multiplayer my first advice about stonehenge would be: don't. If you really want to build it I'd only consider it if you have a nice start with lots of production, and the industruous trait but definately get your first expansion or two out before attempting. I wouldn't worry about other people who get it extroardinarily early in multiplayer, because they're pushing theirself somewhat behind on either expansion or military both of which gets you in trouble. The earliest wonders I ever attempt in multiplayer are generally hanging gardens, and occasionally the great library. But in most cases, the hammers are almost always better spent on military, and I don't like building a wonder unless I'm fairly confident I am indeed going to get it.

 

[Diamondeye]

... I don't see any reference to Warlords or BTS here, but you keep mentioning that Stonehenge grants happiness - this is not a Vanilla feature. I'd be glad to help - but as I play Vanilla, I can't.

 

[sumit1207]

... I don't see any reference to Warlords or BTS here, but you keep mentioning that Stonehenge grants happiness - this is not a Vanilla feature. I'd be glad to help - but as I play Vanilla, I can't.

The Charismatic trait gets 1+ with monuments, as well as a base 1+.

 

[hardwarevreag]

Ok, guys, after we discused the priority of that building in the addons, i would like to say something to the importance of this wonder in vanilla.

In Vanilla the wonder gives you an obelisk in every city and the centration of the map.

Both are very, very, very, very ... useful featurees.

The obelisk is one culture point at all - sems to be too littleto be important, but if you force REX, it's a huge amount - every city can get to the 2x2 - 4 radius without building anything there...

Soyou can leve Cyrus and his creative threat without attendance - you just have to build up this wonder and you have it, when you really need it...

What's about the centration of the map?

If you've got amap, which you know a bit where your opponents are and so on it's useful for planning your strategy...

If youonly have got an fractal map it's almost worthless, I admit...

My conclusion is that I cannot live without this wonder - I do almost everything to get it...

In contrast the pyramids grant you an great engineer and represantation - you can really live with monarchy at the beginning - It's not to tragic, if you do not get it...

 

[Gooblah]

Stonehenge is an awesome early wonder in Vanilla. Most Spiritual civs begin with Mysticism (an exception being Capac), so this is an option for first builds. However, i advise building it only after you get your city to pop 2, get a worker and/or settler out, then build it. The reason for this is the additional city may contribute Stone or another important resource, which is more important in the long-term then Stonehenge.

 

[alcaras]

EDIT: Sorry this was MP thread. Shouldn't Multi Players be in their own forum.

Well, it isn't MP specific. How to balance Stonehenge with adequate military defense? (e.g. Raging Barbs in SP, perhaps)

 

[dankok8]

IMO Stonehenge is always a good build unless you're creative. If you're creative, the free monuments do not do much as your borders expand pretty quickly already - 3c/turn with monument vs. 2 without.

 

[Ruler]

Well, it isn't MP specific. How to balance Stonehenge with adequate military defense? (e.g. Raging Barbs in SP, perhaps)

Oh, well, post where you want but you probably get better answer in MP forum for this kind of question in my opinion.

My suggestion works in SP for pretty sure in fact I haven't lost any game so far because of this only when barbarian-horde appears next to your capital. After Stonehenge, whip/chop settler and make a copper city for axemens if no copper I always go for archery and I build a few of them before a first settler. Not sure about Raging Barbs though.

I haven't played MP but I've heard some people tend to build tons of archeries and attack. So I guess you want to build couple archers for defend before Stonehenge.

 

[alcaras]

Oh, well, post where you want but you probably get better answer in MP forum for this kind of question in my opinion.

The MP forum is pretty dead :-/

 

[Molybdeus]

It's also good for getting a great prophet. I always build two workers then start Stonehenge and switch production to settlers the turn before my two workers finish chopping two forests. I don't think I've actually ever played a game in which I didn't build Stonehenge.

 

[Gnarfflinger]

If you are the Native Americans in BtS, it's a priority. Totem Poles are that important.

 

[Diamondeye]

Stonehenge is an awesome early wonder in Vanilla. Most Spiritual civs begin with Mysticism (an exception being Capac).

Considering Capac is Agg / Fin, and in Warlords Fin / Ind, I find this remark rather amusing.

 

[Jesus Civs]

I nearly always build stonehenge because it gives a huge headstart in culture and GP generation.

I follow the following production line in my capital:

Warrior / worker / settler / stonehenge. But don't start the worker until your city is a size 2, otherwise you are doomed (I'm sure that this is fairly obvious for everyone )!

Then on your second city you can build warrior / worker / settler again and start building a military from there.

Works reasonably well for me.

So I suppose my answer is build stonehenge ASAP.

 

[KMadCandy]

Most Spiritual civs begin with Mysticism (an exception being Capac), so this is an option for first builds.

Considering Capac is Agg / Fin, and in Warlords Fin / Ind, I find this remark rather amusing.

actually i think you're reading it the opposite. HC's the only non-spiritual leader who starts with myst in vanilla, and one of only two or so in warlords, that start with myst, if i remember right. so it's saying "if you're spiritual, or HC, then you could build stonehenge right off the bat" *giggle*. then again as you already know, i find most remarks amusing

i'm weird. i never really liked stonehenge until i got addicted to OCCs, where stonehenge does the least good. but prophets ... OMG prophets are dang powerful in OCC!

 

[Jesus Civs]

i'm weird. i never really liked stonehenge until i got addicted to OCCs, where stonehenge does the least good. but prophets ... OMG prophets are dang powerful in OCC!

What does OCC mean?

 

[Ruler]

One City Challenge I think.

 

[Jesus Civs]

Don't build Stonehenge in a One City Challenge because it effects multiple cities, unless however you have nothing else to build. The Parthenon and Pyramids would be better options.