When to build Stonehenge?

[oyzar]

How are prophets powerfull in occ? gold is totaly useless... All the other GP's cept merchant and artist are better .

Oh and dont build the stonhenge until you have like 2-3 other cities out which is most mp games means dont build it at all since someone will build it before you and stunt their development.

 

[sylvanllewelyn]

Extremely ironic, but in BTS, Stonehenge obseletes in Astronomy. So it's very useful if you want to run theocracy and you capture enemy cities that don't see the Way of Truth. Yes, the wonder of an ancient and heathen religion combos very well with theocratic rule. Someone explain *that*.

 

[Percy]

Could you please explain how Theocracy combines with Monuments please? I don't see it.

 

[KMadCandy]

haha sylvan good point!!

okay stonehenge in general ... in warlords if i'm charismatic, i push for it more than i otherwise would, for the obvious reasons. but i'm far more a builder than a warmonger type. i might certainly be wrong (see my title, it's permanoob for a reason), but i think of stonehenge as a priority for early warmongering sort of: you want the culture to help you on defense, and you do not want the bad guys to have that culture defending them! so if i'm not charismatic and i'm not planning to rush anybody then i don't push for the boulders. but i think 90% or so of the population does usually plan to rush somebody . in multiplayer, probably 2000% of the population!

i mentioned OCC because i thought it demonstrated my weirdness that i "discovered" this wonder in that totally wrong way *giggle*. trust me, i have way more weirdness than y'all will ever realize! i didn't mean to drag the thread offtopic. i'm sorry for that, so those responses are spoilered.

Spoiler :

well yeah jesus civs that's why i said it does the least good in OCC, since it's for multiple cities . but i don't want the parthenon too soon, i'll be stuck with too many GA points as it is, and the AI doesn't rush for it (at least didn't before BtS, still on my first game there). pyramids is the killer OCC wonder, if i had to limit myself to two they might be pyramids and HG (another one designed for multiple cities, but health is everything, happiness doesn't matter). oyzar, an early prophet is supersweet settled in OCC, seriously. gold isn't worthless that early, gold lets you do a lot of things! maybe SH/oracle turns a later GP to a prophet at just the right time to pop theology if that's what the situation calls for, etc. i certainly don't often, much less always, build stonehenge in OCC, i'm just saying that liking prophets in OCC got me to thinking about stonehenge in normal games, see?

and GMs are awesome settled in OCC, are you kidding me? food baybee food! i'd build versailles and forbidden palace if i could in an OCC game just for merchant points . i've built statue of liberty in OCC games before, part for the specialist, part for denial, part for the GPPs towards a slice of bread!

 

[popejubal]

Don't build Stonehenge in a One City Challenge because it effects multiple cities, unless however you have nothing else to build. The Parthenon and Pyramids would be better options.

Stonehenge gives Great Priest points for a very cheap price. 1-2 forest chops, depending on the leader traits and whether you have Stone hooked up.

Getting a Great Priest settled in your only city is a huge advantage with the extra gold and the 2 hammers per turn. Imagine getting to work a Plains Forest without having to actually lose that 1 food per turn or suffer the additional unhappiness.

Settled Great People is the way to go in One City Challenge (with the obvious exception of an Academy and possibly a single shrine).

 

[popejubal]

I really like Stonehenge. The free monuments are nice for any leader, but especially nice for Charismatic leaders. The Great Priest points are outstanding (I dislike Priests in the late game, but they're deligtful in the beginning) and the price is great.

If I have Stone hooked up, I'll often even start building Stonehenge when I can just to get the extra cash when another Civ finished it first. Getting 2 ore more gold for each hammer invested is a nice start to funding my research once I have a few cities founded and costing me maintenance.

 

[madscientist]

Stonehenge is a good cheap tech, better in BTS since the monuments last until Astronomy now.

It is lower priority for creative leaders.

It has ultimate priority for Egyptians (DEFINITELY RAMSES) and Ethiopians. It is great for Sitting Bull, but to be honest most military units are built in a few cities so you do not need one in every city, just the ones in a barracks.

High priotity for charismatic leaders.

High priority for any leader who popped one of the early three religions for the great prophet points and excellerate the shrine production.

Mid priority for any civ who wants a later religion and wants a great prophet to bulb theology.

All that said, give me the oracle anytime over stonehenge although it is possible to get both (and double your great prohet points).

 

[agentsmith952]

Well, I'm a wonder whore, so I always shoot for Stonehenge right away

I don't think I can give nearly the quality advice as some other folk here, but take my advice for what it's worth. I usually play on Marathon on Noble level.

For my early tech, I always go Mining > Bronze Working immediately.

In my capital, I go Warrior > Worker > Settler > Stonehenge

In BtS, I find that most all starting locations are surrounded heavily by forests. In most cases, if there are no food resources around (like Corn, Cows, etc.) then the Warrior will pop out before the city reaches a population of 2. However, if there is a food source, the population will reach two before the Worker is started. In the first case, the Worker will come out in the middle to close to the end of Bronze Working. In the second case, the Worker will most likely pop out with some significant down-time before he can chop. But, with Mining (and maybe some other starting tech like agriculture) they may be able to beef up some tiles while they are waiting.

As soon as Bronze Working is done, chop away. Pump out the Settler and immediately continue chopping Stonehenge. I usually position my Worker on the outside of my fat cross in anticipation and just work my way around the perimeter, leaving the inner forests for early hammers and health.

Then, you'll have a second city early on, and Stonehenge will allow for the free monument so you can eat up more space culturally.

Anyway, don't know if that is helpful at all...

 

[Scaphism]

Alcaras - I've played a handful of games as Brennus recently on Monarch difficulty. The AI seems to build Stonehenge around turn 50 (normal speed).

Between Warrior-Worker-Settler, Stonehenge is tough to manage in 50 turns.

There's not a lot for Brennus' workers to do. You need Bronze Working to chop, but unless there are deer/furs/elephants nearby all you can do is chop/mine.

Unless Stone is in your BFC it might as well be irrelevant. Even then it's tough to get it hooked up in time to matter. Neither Masonry nor the Wheel are priorities for the Celtic leaders. Stone quarries take a long time to build as well - 6 or 8 turns IIRC. Settling your second city on top of stone and building Stonehenge there is a possibility I guess, but finding a site that's close enough, has stone, and a forest to chop (1st ring) is nearly impossible since you're likely in the desert if there's stone.

If Stonehenge is a priority I put overflow hammers into it. There's enough time to get out a warrior, a worker, and a settler. You can chop 2-3 forests and maybe build 1 mine. That's about all you can realistically get done in that time.