I haven't even got conquests yet. I've been looking at the screenshots, I don't think it looks like something I want, but my opinion might change. So you might know what I mean, another game I really liked was Railroad Tycoon. The first was straight overhead like the first Civ. Then came Railroad Tycoon 2 and it was on the slant (isometric) like Civ2 and it still was true to the original, although there was more. Civ3 kept the view but railroad tycoon went to 3-d and I never got it. It just did not look like the conversion to a more "realistic" view justified the loss of clarity. Now I may certainly be wrong about Civ 4, but I'm not paying more than $25 for a computer game, no matter how great it is, especially one I need to buy a new computer to play.