Where Are The Turks???

[King]

Democratic republic Turkey?
Oh please all the people know that the giverment on Turkey is military controled.
Well now i believe that they are sure militaristic and religious militaristic because the great armie succes they had and religious because theyre whole empire where created from they belief to islam the mohamed the B didint just wanted to take constadinupol because of her position the religion of islams had as a point of conquer for centuries the constadinupol it was like a holy command.
We must also not confuse some thinks for example the turan tribes in the mongolia region where not only the turks we know now it is like the hindoeuropeans the hindoeuropeans had a lot of nations into them the nation as "Turks" ottoman espesially because the todays turkey is the chilren of ottomans become as a active nation in the begning of 1000 a.d now the tourans was a huge body of nations now Azermpaitzan or Armenia i cant rememper exactly,Tourkmenistan,Tatzikistan,Kirgitzan those are not turks as we call the nation he lives in the east mediterenean they are other nations who all those countries including the turks are belong to the touranids. To understand is like the indoeuropeans who have greeks,germans etc they are different nation but all the belong to the indoeuropean race type. So the hunes or the hungaries are turan race but hungar nation etc

The turks i cant rememper a period they had strong navy the had sure a very strong armie but in lands, even the commence of the ottoman empire was in hads of Jews-Greeks and other races who turks had conquered even now theyre navy is not so big perhaps a unit like soldiers or somethink like that will propably be the best for the game theyr armies in land for years where andefeated.
Now about the asimilation of the Bulgars they are still there in balcanic and they had ofcourse and some muslim (about 10% i think i am not sure) but this is not meen assimilation ) thats also a point that turkeys are religious they use the faith to Allah to undetified where thay where "assimilatr" a country.

 

[Dervish]

Still, it is the only Muslim country where newspapers can bugger (pester) their own government. Is it plus or minus, apart from problem of Kurds?

 

[Dreifels]

Originally posted by Dervish
Still, it is the only Muslim country where newspapers can bugger (pester) their own government.

Also possible in Bahrain, Quatar, Egypt.

 

[Salvor]

Turkey most definitely is a modern democratic republic. Has been since the early 20's, established by the same guy that kicked Churchill's butt at Gallipoli. Although judging by the lack of intelligence in many of these Turk-bashing posts I don't suppose you've ever heard of Ataturk. If you have, you probably think he was some religious fanatic. Well that just shows how much worse your school systems are than the one he established in Turkey.

Turkey is a shining example of how a secular government can work in that part of the world, even in a country that is 97% muslim. It is not a corrupt, stinking hole, and 97% of the country's land area isn't in Europe at all. It's a country rich and varied in culture, full of architectural and archaelogical wonders, and the people there are much friendlier and far less xenophobic than most of the Europeans I've met.

Their navy today wouldn't stand up to most of the major world powers, but Mehmet II used one to defeat the Byzantines at Constantinople.

 

[O_o]

hi gazi turks i think should be religious for sure,muslim (<--cant spell it right) is "strong" relegion.:crazyeyes and also expansionist . Maybe an expansion of civ3 has that

 

[Toecutter]

LOL I gather you have never been to turkey, Turkey is extremely corrupt, the turkish judicial system takes night classes in being "bent" . It's a well known fact that Turkish politicians, and police work closely together with the turkish mafia.

So how the hell can you prove turkey not being corrupt?

Their policies towards human rights and Kurds is horrific.

Turks are friendly sure, as long as they are market sellers or restaurant owners, able to make a few dollars from a tourist
To the average Turk on the street, infidels are "Ayip" Which basically means ****.

Try walking past a restaurant owner in Turkey, and see how cultivated he is, as he physically "pulls" you into his restaurant, and if you don't want to, he'll tell you "I FAcK your MOTher"

Sure Ataturk reformed Turkey in many ways, introducing turkish writing replacing arabic. Made a modern dictatorship with all benefits for the rich!

Quote: "kicked Churchill's butt at Gallipoli" Churchill was not a field commander at Gallipoli, he also was not in the army at the time!
Being the first Amphibious landing in modern times, the allies learned quick of the massive need for well organized logistical support, the general staff also made lots of errors.
Turks where supported by an advanced german officer corps, guiding the Turks through the battle.
The Turks lost around 250.000 men so did the allies (Brits, anzacs and french), the outcome was horrendous for both sides.

 

[Salvor]

Yes, I've been to Turkey, I'm not from there (if you don't know, Chicago is in the USA) and no, no turk has ever claimed to have had any kind of relations with my mother. I've eaten in many restaurants in Turkey, and walked past many others without stopping in, and nobody ever tried to grab me or hurled insults my way.

I haven't found it to be even remotely evil. Although I must admit I've never been in a Turkish prison. Sure I saw the movie "Midnight Express" but I'm not dumb enough to assume that reality is what the movies make it out to be. I have to claim ignorance on that one.

I've seen no evidence whatsoever that the Turkish mafia runs the politicians and the police force, I don't know what you mean by "well known fact". Usually that's a phrase used by people who have no evidence to support their claims.

But I really got the biggest laugh out of this quote:

Churchill was not a field commander at Gallipoli, he also was not in the army at the time!
Being the first Amphibious landing in modern times, the allies learned quick of the massive need for well organized logistical support, the general staff also made lots of errors.


I didn't know you had to be in the army to conduct an amphibious assault. I thought the navy usually got involved in those kinds of things. As for the general staff errors, I wonder if any of it got to the level of the First Lord of the Admiralty (I wonder who that was at the time). My history books claim it was largely his idea, and he himself considered it the most embarrassing mistake of his career.

And the "horrendous outcome for both sides" left one side in full charge of the battlefield while the other side went home with its tail between its legs to lick its wounds.

 

[Balton]

It had to happen!! You get a thread with civilised discussions then you get a lowlife who does nothing but insult! He/she must not be a happy person; either he/she tried to swallow a coke bottle up from the wrong end or he/she is a Kurd imposter living in UK who escaped claiming from so called ficticious atrocities committed against them.

Wake up sunshine! corruption is present everywhere in this world, even in UK though you wouldn't know since you don't stick your neck from the bokhole you live in:crazyeyes !!

 

[Toecutter]

Quote:
"I didn't know you had to be in the army to conduct an amphibious assault".

Who does the landing? The planning is a combined operation, but who conducts the landing? HMMM, beats me

For your information The Amphibious landing at Gallipoli was a combined operation between the admiralty and the army high command. Yes Churchill was not a field commander at Gallipoli that's why I found your comment about Churchill's butt be kicked a bit odd!?!?! The only butt kicked was that of the men fighting there, but you americans have a different way of phrasing things, he was the first lord of admiralty and not a army field commander that's why he himself did not ge his butt kicked.

Slavor you misinterpreted my post about the army general staff totally, what I meant by saying the general staff made errors was and I should have explained a bit more in detail was that the coordination and communication through the chain of command between the british and anzacs fighting at gallipoli was futile. general Hamilton's suffered greatly because of lack of support, the landing at Suvla bay was a failure due to the apathy of general stopford. who slept on a ship at the critical time. the only victory for the allies at gallipoli was the evacuation itself where no allied lives was lost.

"horrendous outcome for both sides" it's easy for you to sit in your comfortable chair rattling on about the glory of war, but when you consider that both sides lost about 250.000 men each, try to think more closely aboyt the horrors of war. There where truces made at Gallipoli, so that both sides could walk out into no mans land (which only lay on a small patch of land, sometimes no more than 100m between turk and allied trenches) evacuating their dead that had been piled up on each other stinking and with horrendous wounds.
The first turkish counter-attack waves had severe causalities, as later with the anzacs. Just think what it's like to storm against a hail of machinegun, rifle fire and grenades exploding 2 feet in front of you! Then you had the miserable life in the trenches with disease, lack of proper food, constant bombardment

Quote: "but I'm not dumb enough to assume that reality is what the movies make it out to be. I have to claim ignorance on that one".

The ignorance is all on your behalf, did I ever mention a movie in relation with my crtitsms with turkey?
Iv'e spent 2 months in Istanbul Turkey Iv'e also been to all the west coast cities and Ankara, so many of my observations, conversations and newspapers + general news, has lead to many of my critics..

balton your a Turk so your comment is no surprise, as I have never meet a Turk who could take any critic at all, " tried to swallow a coke bottle up from the wrong end" lame but a good game in Turkey I presume, As with your sanitation, where you throw all your garbage out in the street, let it root and stink there all day and have the poor bin men pick it up early next morning, funny the plague never breaks out!
Also im not Kurdish, but thanks for showing you hatred towards them those proving some of my critics towards your evil nation.
Corruption is present all over the globe of course, and it's flowing through the Turkish system like heroin in a junkies veins, how about your former female prime minister who owns several supermarkets in the states! How could she fund all that?

 

[allhailIndia]

I feel that Turkey us an example to all the so called phony secular nations which are in reality Islamic states to the core. You know that I am talking about the dungheap called Pakistan. Whatever vision its founder had, were all smashed by successive dictators and megalomaniacs. Turkey is an example to show that even at the darkest hour of a civilization, it can come back and return to respectability.

 

[Salvor]

You're right, Balton. Just looking at the civility of the posts here, it's easy to see the oppressive nature inherent in too many Brits. Fortunately, that attitude seems to be on the decline these days and most of them are beginning to realize that the rest of the world isn't there just for their profit and amusement. Being of Irish descent myself, though, attitudes like his come as no surprise to me.

The thing about that guy, though, is if he hates Turkey so much, why does he spend so much time there? Interesting also that he seems to be so knowledgeable about their police force and prison system. I wonder if that's from personal experience as well.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Salvor
You're right, Balton. Just looking at the civility of the posts here, it's easy to see the oppressive nature inherent in too many Brits. Fortunately, that attitude seems to be on the decline these days and most of them are beginning to realize that the rest of the world isn't there just for their profit and amusement. Being of Irish descent myself, though, attitudes like his come as no surprise to me.

Give me a break, fs.

The utter sweeping generalisations and total nonsense that has been spouted in this thread already by both 'sides' is absolutely amazing.

Turkey is neither a shining example of democratic and just practice or "evil", it simply has difficulties - difficulties that I'm sure it will resolve in the future.

 

[King]

Turkey european? to what the only eurpean has is the ancient greek temples and the greek churchs from medieval years the cultutre and all the other are totally asian. Ofcourse its wearing a eyripean dress but even how to act european can doo. And taling to culture dont forget that is a country who done 2 and a half genocides(and in chicago maby they are turks they are economical migrators)

 

[Salvor]

INterestingly enough, (I think I mentioned my Irish heritage in a previous post), a large part of Anatolia was once inhabited by Celts. At the time it was known as Galicia (note the similarity of names between Galicia, Gaul, Gael -- it's no coincidence).

Anatolia is in Asia, not in Europe like Istanbul is. Most of the Greek ruins like Ephesus are in the Asian part of the country. As are most of the Christian historic sites that aren't in Istanbul itself, including Tarsus, Nicea (Iznik). Anatolia was actually one of the first places Christianity spread to, thanks much to Paul of Tarsus, and there were probably christians in present-day Turkey several years before any arrived in Rome.

Chicago itself is a city of immigrants. The primary original inhabitants, the Ilini tribe, were wiped out by the Iroquois. Only indirectly tied to the European invasion that forced the Iroquois westward where they had to take land away from others. The others, including the Fox, Sauk, Menominee, and others, were chased off by the French and English settlers long ago.

Today it's a melting pot of many cultures. Turks aren't very predominant, though. The largest populations emigrated from Poland, Ireland, Ukraine, and several other places, including those forced to come here from Africa. More recently the hispanic and Asian (particularly Korean) populations have been growing. It makes for a wide variety of culture, some mixed, some traditional, and other than the weather, I find it a very enjoyable place to live.


BTW, how do you "do" half a genocide? And how do you migrate an economy (if that's what you meant)?

 

[Dervish]

Originally posted by Dreifels


Also possible in Bahrain, Quatar, Egypt.

I think you are right these guys have certain level of democracy too. The fisrt two ones having almost theocratical monarchy, almost half secular, and still have democracy. This battle between secularism and theocracy, temporal and spiritual, I think long lost one. They mix up pretty good too.

 

[Dervish]

Originally posted by Salvor
INterestingly enough, (I think I mentioned my Irish heritage in a previous post), a large part of Anatolia was once inhabited by Celts. At the time it was known as Galicia (note the similarity of names between Galicia, Gaul, Gael -- it's no coincidence).

I agree with you on that, because I read from some Middle East ancient history sites that the Celts were one of the oldest inhabitants of Asia Minor, and then they moved to Europe. Actually, they inhabited both Central Europe and Northern Mideast Asia simultaneously.

 

[allhailIndia]

Although Sid Meier may not have been Turkish , the area we call as Turkey was actually the birthplace of human civilzation before the flooding of the Black Sea set it back a couple of thousand years. Seems incredible . Well recent research has suggested that Noah's Flood may have been the Mediterranean Sea flooding into the Black Sea Basin and all but wiping out the settled relatively advanced people over there. The few lucky survivors(Noah??), were the ones who made it to Central Asia and the Middle East. The ones in the middle East also probably gave rise to the Hittites, Israelites and Sumerians. This may seem incredulous but Noah's story is not the only tale of a massive flooding. Even in Hindu Mythology, written much around the biblical times speaks of a massive flood in which there were only seven survivors.

 

[O_o]

greece and turkey r neighbours and we first of all know their agrresive policy. i still dont blame turk ppl although they prefer starving rather than they have fewer weapons (!) .turks who have access to internet r all nice ppl.the uneducated turks r the one u describe..anyway lets stop this conversation..i really like friendly turks as musch as i dislike the bloodthirsty ones

 

[ibollica]

i thing the discussion looks like modern Turkeys politics.. Yeah turkey may have some troubles but i thing no one can say "evil turks". All nations have dark pages on their history. But turkey hasn't got the darkest (i thing it is not darker than middle age europe). i'm an turkish in turkey,izmir. when i'm walking on the street, i see normal humans, not evils .. we play civ3 too, so we are not evils . some groups hate us but they don't know why they hate (may be their grandmum's tales)
turn to main object. turk have lots of important roles in history,more than some civs at the game. so turks must be between 16 civs. not only turks, i thing choosing the civs is not well thinking.
if turks are in game, leadder will be Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, or Fatih Sultan Süleyman (the Conqueror), Kanuni Sultan Süleyman (the Magnificient) or Atilla. Cities are defined before.
And Militaristic & Expansionist .. i don't think Turkey is Religious, it seems Turkey is a Religious country but if you compare Turkey with Arabs and Ýran (or Catholiks, far east philosophies) you will see turkey is not Religious. May be Militaristic & Scientific. Not suprise, Turkey is not a technologic advanced country now but at middle ages lots of scientist, mathamaticians, astronomers, poets live in seljucs and ottoman empire. And we bring inventions of far east (generally Chinese) and arabs to europe (gun powder, cannons etc). All u know how we conquer Ýstanbul (with graet cannons if u dont know). At these ages europe don't know what the canon is..
I download Turks Modepack but still don't try.. I'll try now...

 

[King]

Thats exactly what i am saying the only european Turkey has is the Greek temples in the asia minor (Greek=western civilization) and the churches of the greek medieval period all the other are asian.
Now about the 2 and a half genocides i meen the Genocide of Armenians,Kurds the half genocide is the remarkable "disaperment" of 200.000 Greeks who had the result now stay in the city about 2.500.
Now about this with the stories of Grandmothers. I dont think that are just grandmopthers stories atleast i demand when we talk in such a stage as that have the responsibility of the countries actions.