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Where Should We Settle?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game IV: Polls' started by Rex rgis of Ter, Apr 1, 2008.

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Where Should We Settle?

  1. In Place

    7 vote(s)
    20.0%
  2. One South

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  3. One Southeast

    17 vote(s)
    48.6%
  4. One South, Two East

    8 vote(s)
    22.9%
  5. Two South

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Other

    2 vote(s)
    5.7%
  1. blastoidstalker

    blastoidstalker The Geographer

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    I agree with raven on the clear discussion thread point. The main non role play discussion has been in a thread called Genesis, it should be renamed at this point. I did post a Role Play discussion thread on city placement. Pretty clear there, but it has been ignored by most. I will try to help make sure that proper threads are posted, but i am not around all the time, so I may miss some.

    In terms of poll's being to early, as it is an opinion poll and note a vote, and anybody can make a poll. Anybody i feel can ask for opinions at any time. So I can see why people do not like it, but i do not think it should be a big deal. I do not see any subversive or underlying agenda behind the release time of this poll, simply enthusiasm to get the game going.

    So lets work together and make this a good game
     
  2. AluminumKnight

    AluminumKnight Conquistador

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    @ravensfire

    There will be no repoll. I believe the plan of the Philosophers (who, although the Triad won the election, are completely in charge of their city, as my faction is in charge of where our city will go) is to get a general opinion of the community through this poll, get the opinion of their own faction by another poll, and then Shattered will make the decision. Simple enough to me. All of our discussion and votes could be ignored by him. There may be some chaos, but really, it's chaos that won't officially do anything.
     
  3. Seidrik_The_Gray

    Seidrik_The_Gray Seidrik The Gray

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    See no evil...hear no evil...speak no evil...It's all opinion dynamics.
     
  4. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    I am sorry, but why is that a poll and a disscussion at the same time? :confused: I haven't been on for a day and a hour, come back from Preston (don't ask) and suddenly there is a poll up and running. There have been some worrying comments by triad members about no repolls and that it's going to be their deicison not ours, which is in the rules but it's already starting to smell like elitism already.
     
  5. Shattered

    Shattered Lord of Utopia

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    This is all an opinion poll. We make the final decision, and we have to do it within the week, so we wanted the citizen's opinion. There is much discussion going on in other threads. This did come up quick, but I don't think it has a closing date. I would much rather see ideas and opinions than dissent, but I guess I can sympathize.
     
  6. Ballazic

    Ballazic King

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    Thats why there was an election. To see who would rule.
     
  7. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Yes i know, i am not stupid and i thought that although the final word would always be the factions, they would at least take the concerns of their fellow citizens, i don't really see that yet., but this is what i was worried about, that there would be no rules concerning polls, i have yet to see who will next play the save and crucially we have no independent body that holds laws, not like now, where the prime faction controls everything, and will potentially use that in their favour. This is why we have rules, a judiciary, because without it absolute chaos ensures, not just the average amount we get.
     
  8. Shattered

    Shattered Lord of Utopia

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    We plan to set up a court-like system in the game, it's just hard to do that with no capital city. Defeats the whole purpose if we don't have a place to live. :D This isn't the last demogame, where we had a full 1900 era court system before we even existed. The rules will come as the game progresses.
     
  9. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    Well, we all knew what we all voted for, and I assume that these voted against Faction ruleset, against Triad Faction and so on knew what they voted for. All ruling factions decide on the location of their own city, which was written in the platform. Less ideal for casual players that like to meddle with the game with no real interest for the integration of game, subgames and narrative roleplay based on civic, yes, but more ideal for those that sought a more vivid and interesting way to structure their game around landownership, historic development and several other reasons.

    This is 4000 BC, remember, and most of us like the idea we play out that notion.
     
  10. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    Only 1S2E gets the clams, AND 3 hills as well. Much better solution for getting plenty of food for a great people city.
     
  11. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    There is no absolute chaos, but we are working on absolute order, however, we are 4000 BC, so we got to earn our civil rights via technology development.

    Fellow citizens will be listened to- a lot, but gone are the days with disruptive polls and repolls, biased judiciaries pretending to be unbiased and an unannounced group of players trading favors and votes. All conflicts, differences etc are all now in the open, so people know what is going on.
     
  12. Bertie

    Bertie Prince

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    What do we want our capital to be? Production pump? Science center? Great people farm? I'd address that question first, then decide where to settle.

    With that said, however, I'd settle in place. Usually the computer places the settler on a decent city location. A couple of the other spots mentioned are intriguing (particularly the one to the SE) but I'd rather have the trees & the fresh water bonus.
     
  13. Shattered

    Shattered Lord of Utopia

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    I think the plan is to use our capital as a GP farm once we get a few cities up.
     
  14. blastoidstalker

    blastoidstalker The Geographer

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    Addressing the feeling that this poll came out to early, as they have been voiced by several people. Yes the poll did come out soon after the opening screen, but we also want the game to move along. The poll does not have an end date so you have no obligation to vote the first time you see it. I will repeat again the poll was put out there to see what the populace as a whole was feeling and both it, and the well thought out arguments that several have made in threads will be considered and cary weight. But the final decision does lie within the philosophers and ultimately with Shattered.

    Civ is a good game because there is different paths to win and it belies the quality of the game that we have options. We may not make the decision that you prefer the most, but we will pick one that makes sense and one that is made in what is in our opinion for the good of our civ as a whole.


    Some days I can get on the site maybe once, So I like for the poll to be available so I can look at what has been said so far and let my opinion be heard. I feel that the other participants in this game our responsable enough to wait on making a decision and listen to discussion to the length they feel like.
     
  15. blastoidstalker

    blastoidstalker The Geographer

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    if this is the case then for pure GP farm use SE E may be the best (SE second best).

    I think SE has better early flexibility and more land, making it my proffered spot.


    Honestly I am OK with in place to. Though I think it does not make roll play sense (why would we not go for thefish if we know fishing to start?).
     
  16. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Yup - that's what a few people wanted, and worked the system to get.

    The people get what they voted for, however, and what they've gotten so far is minimal organization, chaos and lack of communication.

    -- Ravensfire
     
  17. Shattered

    Shattered Lord of Utopia

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    Try to participate if you think the game is unorganized and chaotic. Yet, from what I've seen from you, your only having fun if your dissenting.
     
  18. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    :lol: Sure, Shattered. Sure.

    Nope - Prime Faction's job is to run the game, and thus far, they've stumbled badly on the start. I'm in the role of the opposition, so dissention IS what I should be doing.

    And no, thus far I'm not having much fun. And why? See the reasons I've posted. Provo's comment quite scared me, that he's wanting this DG only for the highly involved people. Sorry - that's not a DG I can enjoy.

    Fear not, Shattered, your oh so kind words will not chase me off. Nor will the continual back-handed insults.

    -- Ravensfire
     
  19. croxis

    croxis Chat room op

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    KNOCK IT OFF PEOPLE!

    Or I'll start my bloody own democracy game x.x
     
  20. Rashiminos

    Rashiminos Fool Prophet

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    I do believe they are accomplishing the opening at a faster rate than the method you have proposed. I don't think they stumbled. You're just trying to rouse the rabble. It's not a requirement for the triad to discuss the first city placement with us, yet there are threads and this opinion poll to that affect. Best of all, with the recent activity they are near the top of the appropriate forums so that everyone may see them, and throw in their comments as they see fit.

    (Besides, revolting from Despotism makes more sense when it doesn't work perfectly:))
     

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