Which 8 civs?

[Julius Bonapart]

Ok i dunno if someone has posted something like this, but oh well im sure this site has a lot of pages with the same subjects .
In the "Open thread" about the new Expansion Pack they only fought about civ 3 this civ3 that and i posted something that had nothing to do with it talking about which civ I liked to have in the 8 new civs, so here is an open thread, to all of us wo ponder about what civ we would like, and maybe someone developing the expansion will read it (I know its not likely but its fun to think they might anyway) Personally i am very sad, and dissapointed that in none of the civ 1,2,3 there had NEVER been a south american civ, and in Civ3 they didnt even INCLUDE SPAIN!!!!! Sorry but spain was a major world power in its good days. So thats a MOST definite for the expansion pack...or else - But there are still 7 more spaces so lets guess and more preferably for me wildly hope that SOUTH AMERICA will be taken into account even if they only put the Incas and if someone cmoes with a lame excuse that the Aztecs cover that then they are very wrong couse Aztecs are no where NEAR south america, but no1 has said something so lame and I am preety sure no one will. I feel stupid for even mentioning some1 might say that. I am not only one who has tried to speak on the subject teturkhan also made a point of the Turks being included so, lets see...

 

[Julius Bonapart]

ok this is the post that i put previusly on the other thread that no1 talked bout this :

and the new civs, i know u can create new civs on your own but come ON! I mean i for one do not KNOW how to change unit graphics or the civ leader so a custom civ for me is the face of alexander with a unit that i only change the name/ atributes. I am seriusly hopping that they put spain as on of the eight i was very dissapointed when Spain wasnt included in the original 16 civs (personally i woulve kicked out the persians for the spanish, but oh well) and i hope they make the spanish leader a guy preferably Fernindand Aragon and i hope the dont put a woman as the spanish leader (ISabella) becouse i really hate playing and getting called things like milady, (The very sad reason why i dont play with the british, bu hu, bu hu) about the other stuff yeah their nice, but since i myself am not that good at making mods i guess i cant really get that much out of it, but to download mods of others which allways happen to be awsome.
LONG LIVE LATIN AMERICA!
A latin civ would also be nice but i dont thin theres much chance of THAT, I would love to play with Chile and have a leader like Bernardo O'Higgins or Salvador Allende. But we all know that they wont consider SA.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Even BRAZIL WOULD BE A GOOD SA CIV BUT PLEASE GIVE SOUTH AMERICANS SOMETHING!!!!!!!

 

[Civ3Lover]

In addition to the expansion ideas they already have, that they include both MALE AND FEMALE leaders of each civ. Not only that, but that their CITIES are civ-specific like in CIV2.

That actually nauseates me a bit...

There I go using extreme language again... I probably should have used the word "disenfranchised".

I love the complexity nonetheless!

 

[Frodo Bolson]

The civilizations included in this game were the important ones from the actual and north american point of view. That's why there is not a Latin American civ included, because for the United States Latin America has the same value than a garbage district. Just see the cases of Venezuela, where they celebrate that a democratic goverment was being overthrown, or Argentina, who did everything the United States States required for more than a decade, was showed as an example of how other countries should work, and now that those imperial commands have bringed Argentina to a chaos they wash their hands and refuse to help. Do you want them to think any Latin American important enough to be included in a game that make a certain civilization go through all history? Keep dreaming, that won't happen, just get satisfied that you can play against the "Americans" (as if their country and the continent was one and the same) and crush them like the scum they are, at least in a game.

 

[philippe]

my 8 civs:
benelux civ: UU tradeship
maya civ:UU eagle warrior
spanish civ:UU conquistadore(problably misspelled)
australia civ:UU (crocodile dundee(no serious now )antpac or what they called......
arabian civ:UU janisseree
vikings civ:UU berserker
ethiopian civ:UU (mango thrower )african warrior
mongol civ:UUhorse archer

 

[Parmenion]

Julius,
Call me thick and mistake me for a Yorkshireman, but I'm confused as to what you mean when you say 'Latin'. Is this an Americanisation?
No offence, it's just that I understood that the word Latin describes the nation that used it as a language, in other words the Romans, which are present in Civ. Is there some Central/South American connotation?
I checked my dictionary but it says that it is a dead language and nothing else.

Also, weren't the Aztecs from Central and South America? My Geog is shaky - you wouldn't know I studied Ancient Civ at Uni....

Totally agree with the point about including Spain. Who knows, in the new expansion pack they may give a male/female option for each civ.

 

[kurt]

philippe don't mix arabs with turks
my 8 civ's are
mayans, incans, spanish, vikings, turks, celts, mongols and maybe huns

 

[sgrig]

Originally posted by Parmenion
Julius,
Call me thick and mistake me for a Yorkshireman, but I'm confused as to what you mean when you say 'Latin'. Is this an Americanisation?
No offence, it's just that I understood that the word Latin describes the nation that used it as a language, in other words the Romans, which are present in Civ. Is there some Central/South American connotation?
I checked my dictionary but it says that it is a dead language and nothing else.

Also, weren't the Aztecs from Central and South America? My Geog is shaky - you wouldn't know I studied Ancient Civ at Uni....

Totally agree with the point about including Spain. Who knows, in the new expansion pack they may give a male/female option for each civ.

Latin America is a term used to describe Central and South America, ie the countries which were once Spanish, Portuguese and French colonies. I guess it's 'Latin' because Spanish and Portuguese are part of what is known as 'Romance Languages' (not because they are romantic but because they are linked to Rome), and these languages have been strongly influenced by Latin, hence Latin America.

Aztecs are not from "Central AND South America" they are from Central America only, which leaves the massive continent unrepresented.

Note - Aztecs lived where Mexico currently is.

A good representative of South America could be the Incas.

My bet is that the following 5 civs will definitely be included:

1. Spanish
2. Vikings
3. Mongols
4. Arabs
5. Incas

and the other 3 chosen from Mayas, Celts, Dutch, Swedish, Polish, Phoenicians, Turks, Jews

my favourite remaining 3 are:

6. Polish
7. Phoenicians
8. Turks

However, it is conceivable that Jews/Hebrews/Israelis might be added in view of the current international situation.

 

[Julius Bonapart]

Originally posted by sgrig


Latin America is a term used to describe Central and South America, ie the countries which were once Spanish, Portuguese and French colonies. I guess it's 'Latin' because Spanish and Portuguese are part of what is known as 'Romance Languages' (not because they are romantic but because they are linked to Rome), and these languages have been strongly influenced by Latin, hence Latin America.

Aztecs are not from "Central AND South America" they are from Central America only, which leaves the massive continent unrepresented.

Note - Aztecs lived where Mexico currently is.

A good representative of South America could be the Incas.

Thank you for not maiking me wright a long explanation to Parmenion
.
And i am very sad that somebody would actually think that AZTECS have anything to do with South America. We are so ignored.....

 

[Julius Bonapart]

Originally posted by Frodo Bolson
The civilizations included in this game were the important ones from the actual and north american point of view. That's why there is not a Latin American civ included, because for the United States Latin America has the same value than a garbage district. Just see the cases of Venezuela, where they celebrate that a democratic goverment was being overthrown, or Argentina, who did everything the United States States required for more than a decade, was showed as an example of how other countries should work, and now that those imperial commands have bringed Argentina to a chaos they wash their hands and refuse to help. Do you want them to think any Latin American important enough to be included in a game that make a certain civilization go through all history? Keep dreaming, that won't happen, just get satisfied that you can play against the "Americans" (as if their country and the continent was one and the same) and crush them like the scum they are, at least in a game.

Tu tienes toda la razon espero que puedas leer en español, de esa forma podremos hablar solo en español, y dejarlos pensando en que decimos. But if u cant read spanish thats ok. Anyway your post is tottally right. I am very angry and sad but its the truth. And dont worry the first civ i kill is allways the americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Btw i am not a terrirorist or anything i just dont like the american civ, and will destroy them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the game

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[Julius Bonapart]

Originally posted by Civ3Lover
In addition to the expansion ideas they already have, that they include both MALE AND FEMALE leaders of each civ. Not only that, but that their CITIES are civ-specific like in CIV2.

I have been saying exactly that in VARIUS posts and as some1 respinded (or did i say this?) that it would be way to hard to make the video-changing animated face for every civ that means that they would have to design and make 32 faces instead of 8. 16 more for the allready existing civs and 16 more for the additional civs. Its too much and they wouldnt do it fast enough or so is my gues but you never know..to my point of view its hard but i guess that mabe they could do it. I just know that its twice the design of faces they put in the original game. I would like male and female couse i simply cant bring myself to play with female leaders its not that im sexist or anything but as i said i dont like getting called mylady and that the face representing ME is some ulgy girl with an unhumanly white face (BRitish) i used to love playing with the Russians/British/ etc and i really dont want to knwo becouse of this whole crazy face thing.
They shouldnt have had the faces in the first place i dont find them that good, at all, i would have just preferd a non-animated painted face that they can do 500 in a hlaf month

 

[Bobo63867]

I almost agree completely with Sgrig.

We are definitely going to see:
Mongols, Vikings, Spanish, Arabs, and Incas

The Turks are almost definites

I say the Carthaginians instead of Phoenicians because they will be looking to put a more famous leader in charge.(Hannibal

My last one that i think will be included would be the Celts because they have a famous woman who would likely lead them (Broadica) Spelling?

I would like to see the Polish represented (iam 1/2 Polish) but i don't think they will be included. If I'm not correct above, because of the North American bias we will see the Sioux reinstated. Because they are more Western then the Iroquios and have Sitting Bull (also famous) as their leader.

 

[Frodo Bolson]

Clear that I can speak in Castilian, but Frodo Baggins "and not" Frodo would have put me "Handbag". I already know that what I said too much is related to the game that is object of this forum, but is that those types make me anger. I say, that they applaud a military coup is serious already of by himself, but plus it is it if one considers that hardly months ago they overthrew the government talibán in the name of the Democracy, the Freedom and all that; and above the common people of that country are created it. Nothing that to see, talibanes was overthrown because therefore it agreed to him to the interests of the United States, if their interests go against the democratic process... does not make lack suppose, the answer is there just, for a month of distance or something thus. He is in addition a little ingenuous to try that they beyond raise the figure of Salvador, somebody who died in the middle of a military coup helped by the "defenders of the democracy", and of whose country the game comes from which we spoke. History writes the winners, and in the present panorama history does not have reserved positive paragraphs for Beyond, Perón, Chavez or Castro.
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[philippe]

Originally posted by Frodo Bolson
Claro que puedo hablar en castellano, sino me habría puesto "Frodo Baggins" y no "Frodo Bolson". Ya sé que lo que dije no está demasiado relacionado con el juego que es objeto de este foro, pero es que esos tipos me hacen enojar. Digo, que aplaudan un golpe militar es grave ya de por sí, pero más lo es si uno considera que hace apenas unos meses derrocaron el gobierno talibán en el nombre de la Democracia, la Libertad y todo eso; y encima la gente común de ese país se lo cree. Nada que ver, los talibanes fueron derrocados porque así le convenía a los intereses de estados unidos, si sus intereses van en contra del proceso democrático... no hace falta suponer, la respuesta está ahí nomás, hace un mes de distancia o algo así.

Es además un poco ingenuo pretender que exalten la figura de Salvador Allende, alguien que murió en medio de un golpe militar ayudado por los "defensores de la democracia", y de cuyo país proviene el juego del cual hablamos. La historia la escriben los vencedores, y en el actual panorama la historia no tiene párrafos positivos reservados para Allende, Perón, Chavez o Castro.

please speak ENGLISH instead of spanish!can someone translate this?

 

[Han Wu Di]

The Civs that I hope will appear are

Spanish-Massive Spanish Armada are one of the first to navigate the world alongside with the Chinese
Ottoman/Turkey-Captured Greece,Egypt ,Arabs during golden age
Mongol-Largest Empire in the history during Kubhlai Khan
Arabs-Invented Algebra and a lot of maths stuffs
Carthaginian-One of the most powerful nation in Meditteranian
Majapahit-(they are better than the punky Incas or Mayas and their Civ now are dead) Majapahit is modern day Indonesia during the 1300's they are one of the biggest trading nation in the world as they are in the middle of the sea route between India and China
Ethiopian-Quite powerful,resisted British attacks using inferior weapons
Korea-They are the first one to invent ironclad,KOREAN should not be excluded


Our present day history records didnt tell much about VIkings,they are nomadic ,rarely have cities beside they are a dead now ,Firaxis should not include Vikings

 

[TETurkhan]

I like the recommendations Han Wu Di made in the “Which 8 Civs” Thread.

When I think of civilizations that should be included in the game, I look to ones that have made the most impact on human history. Currently the Civs in Civilization are good, but a few in there I am not sure about, they honestly had so little impact on our history. This is meant as no disrespect to those people, but when picking which Civs to include and which ones not to, I find it hard to understand how the Iroquois made it in, yet others such as the Mongols, Turks, Arabs and Ethiopians were not included.

I wrote already the reasons why I feel strongly about these particular Civs, I have put together a more detailed break down of the reasons why.

• Turks
- Renaissance was partially a result of the Turks taking over Constantinople, which was the last city of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire.
- The Great Wall of China was built to keep the Turks and Mongols out.
- Taj Mahal was built by a Turkish Mogul ruler for his wife.
- There have been countless empires formed by the Turks. Empires in Central Asia, Northern China, Middle East, Africa, Eastern Europe, Eurasia. Furthermore even the Mongol Empire was in part largely managed by the Turks (Uygur Turks).
- Attila the Hun, Tamer lane, Suleiman the Magnificent are all legendary Turkic Rulers.
- Crusades were fought against the Seljuk Turks.
- Christopher Columbus looked for the new trade routes so they could avoid the tariffs imposed by the Ottoman Turks who controlled pretty much the entire Mediterranean Sea.
- Bulgars, Khazars, Avars, Huns were all Turkic Peoples, and all had mighty empires in their time.
- Turks brought Islam to the Indians, their legacy you could say is today’s Pakistan.
• Arabs
- In areas of Science, Commerce they made huge contributions.
- It was their efforts in the form of books that preserved the knowledge of the ancients. During the Spanish Inquisition these Arabic written books were taken by the Europeans and Studied. The Combination of this and the Turks taking over Constantinople thrust Europe forward into the Renaissance.
- Just to show you how advanced their culture was, in Spain, the roads were lit with street laps, while the rest of Europe lived in the Dark. Check out any history book and you might be surprised how far ahead Arabic/Islamic Civilization was at around 700AD than the Europeans, only around the Renaissance did Europe start coming around.
- Europe was close to being completely overrun by the Arabs, if it were not for Charlemagne at Tours it probably would have been.

• Abyssinians
- Since ancient times the Ethiopians have been there. Look in the Bible, the Torah and the Koran and you will see them being mentioned. Such an ancient Civilization, since the time of the Egyptians, existing for so long, to me that is purely amazing. I think for that reason alone they should be included in the game (the Zulus pale in comparison – sure they had a large empire but it was only momentarily and largely due to one great leader Shaka).
- Ethiopians have never been conquered. They are the ultimate at protecting themselves. Romans, Arabs, Turks and Europeans have all faltered when it came to Ethiopia. Even when fallen behind on weapons technology they were still able to repulse the Italians at the turn of the century.
- People have to keep in mind that though Ethiopia is impoverished now, this cannot take away their great and rich history. They have been there all along, and you cannot deny that is an accomplishment in itself.

Other Recommendations:

Koreans, Spain, Portugal

 

[Evie]

The civs I personaly would like to see :

Spain - they deserve to be in. They were one of three key player in the expansion of the known world and early colonization, and as such deserves in.

Dutch - The third of the three key players. We always remember Spain and England, but the Dutch are often forgotten when we think of the civilizations that went around the world developing large colonial empires (which usually sums up to "England, , yet they were a major player in Asia for years, rivaling spain there, and played a small but noticeable part in North America (Founding, I dunno...New York?).

Carthage - a key mediteranean power, and NOT from Europe or the middle east. A great addition, possibly.,

Abyssinians - for all the reasonst stated above.

Turks - their case is already made by so many others.

Arabs - See "turks".

Khmers or Majapahit - either, both left wonderful monuments behind. They both also occupy a generaly unrepresented corner of the world, and both were powerful nations in their own right at their time of existances. Probably the later, as an Indonesian nation would come across as a presence from the general south-west-pacific area (Australia + South East Asia).

Inca - South America need in the game. Plus, if the Aztec are in, no reason to leave the Inca out.

 

[Caldasar]

I would hbe happy if the Vikings is in it.. I was shocked when they didn`t were in CIV III ....

 

[Caldasar]

Addition to the thread above me... : It would have been great if they had added an nation-editor so you could make your own nations and special units and such.l. In that way evryonbe would be happy...

 

[philippe]

with a little bit searching and some knowledge you can replace civs