Which civ would you have attacked?

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I just played my first game with both the new Warlords AI and on Monarch and barely pulled off a space race win about 15 turns ahead in 1930. While I'll take the win, I was behind for so much of the game, I must say it could have gone far better. I also relied upon only my original 6 cities and Rome to carry my entire win, the rest of my conquered empire sucked bad. (I also got incredibly lucky when the only source of aluminum on the continent spawned under one of my mines shortly after I built the Apollo Program :) Likely would have lost without that.)

I decided to give the early axemen war a try, but it didn't go so well.

I didn't have metal to get my axemen early enough to rush, so this is my position just after getting Construction and building a couple catapults and war elphants to go with my axemen I had sitting around from my aborted attempt earlier (edit: I also had a couple macemen, but no cash to upgrade most of those axemen->macemn until midconquest). The AI had some longbow men, but also archers and axemen. I needed to attack someone cause I need 2+ more cities for Oxford and to strengthen my empire as a whole.
I decided to attack Augustus, but sorta regretted it later once I saw his empire in more detail. I got my Oxford and a good city in Rome, but the rest was useless.

Here's the pros and cons of attacking each:
Augustus:
Pros: Didn't have iron for Praetorians, I was blocking him so war was likely, had high pop (for the period), Rome was a very nice city, and 3 luxury goods.
Cons: 1 of 2 religious allies, other than Rome his cities had almost nothing but food - It was sea and snow.

Ghandi:
Pros: Nice land to the west, smaller military than Augustus or Frederick.
Cons: 1 of 2 religious allies, unlikely to declare war on me in the future, wide front, the 3 cities closest to me were poor, it was only west into his empire that was nice, more longbowmen than Frederick or Augustus.

Frederick:
Pros: Most likely to declare war on me in the future, decent land, good position for pursuing a full continental domination strat.
Cons: Civs like the Aztecs to the North would almost ensure a war-filled game, if Ghandi did declare war on me, I'd be stuck with 2 wide fronts.


So I ask who you would you have attacked in my position?

And as a continuation, if you did destroy Augustus like I did, would you have stopped there or would you have moved on to Frederick and/or Ghandi? Their borders didn't change for the entirety of the game, so the same map still holds.

Since I accidently saved over the map, I made a super duper image in paint.
 

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Not easy to say, without a savegame.
Augustus looks good, since the new territory doesn't give you another border with a potential enemy, but after finishing Augustus I would have attacked Gandhi, I am sure he had some valuable wonders and shrines.
Frederick looks tricky. A border with Monty is something I try to avoid. But after a good Blitzkrieg you could possibly have made Germany your vassal.
 
Augustus, then Gandhi. Sack everything but rome, and put a few cities in key places along the peninsula (leaving off OB with the other leaders so they don't settle). Then take out Gandhi.
 
From what it looks like, Gandhi is pretty big. You should have taken Augustus to get more cities, then whip the population for more axes and rushed Gandhi. If you let Gandhi get into the middle game with a large terretory for cottages, he will blow you away in the tech race.
 
If you let Gandhi get into the middle game with a large terretory for cottages, he will blow you away in the tech race.

That's not always a bad thing.
Wang Kong once outteched me by more than a century (printing press, education, astronomy, liberalism...all techs I was used to get first before 2.08)
but I had three techs he didn't have: Gunpowder, Engineering and Chemistry.
He was twice the size of me, but I easily conquered his large high-tech empire with my Trebuchets and Grenadiers.
I think this could work against Gandhi even better. He's not Protective and the type to neglect military techs, and instead founds religions and builds wonders which makes his cities more valuable.
He also really likes to get the Great Library and is Philosophical, so there is a good chances that every major Indian city has an Academy if you give him some time before you attack him. His allies could be a problem, but this can be solved: Bribe other civs to attack Gandhi's friends, so they are too busy to help him.
Or even better: Briibe Gandhi's friends to attack another civ. This will improve your relations and make an intervention a bit less likely.
This strategy is a bit of a gamble, but the reward is worth it.
 
Dang, thats a good suggestion. Instead of razing some of those crappy Roman cities, I shoulda kept them and whipped more troops. I meant to attack Ghandi, but just couldn't ever get enough military produced to make it viable (or at least didnt manage it until Monty and Brennus decided to ship troops down and attack me by sea)...I gotta start whipping more.
At least keeping Ghandi alive did give me a friendly trading partner the whole game. But it was frightening to finish my SS Casings before he even started the Apollo Program and yet still only beat him by a margin of Fusion, SS Engine, and 1/2 the SS Life Support. So glad that aluminum spawned on my side of the border and the AI wasn't smart enough to try to grab it from me.

Next time I'll try to save the save game and spare the Paint :)
 
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