Which cpu is better for c2c ? AMD FX 9590 or Intel7700k ?

[BUDDHAALIEN]

Which cpu is better for c2c ? AMD FX 9590 or Intel7700k ? AMD FX 9590 is 4,7 ghz fast and Intel7700k 4,2. I don´t know which cpu ist more overclockable and I don´t know with which cpu c2c works more fluidly. AMD FX 9590 is much cheaper and it seems it works better than Intel 7700k but Intel need much less Energy than the AMD cpu.
I haven´t found a motherboard where i can put ddr4 memorysticks to a AMD Cpu. Only ddr3 memorysticks. By ddr4 i can put a 16 gb 4800 mhz memorystick in the mainboard but with a AMD motherboard i can put max a 8 gb memorystick with 2100 mhz.

I don´t know so sure by which hardware it will be work more fluidly. I have now 2 x 2 gb memory sticks right now with a intel 2,5 ghz cpu and I hate it that at duel size in the late game phase the city seetings lag soooo much, especially when i want set my specialist in my towns. In the standart earth map a turn load 1 min at the beginning.

 

[Agent327]

I'm curious if you've played Civ 5 or 6, as they should run smooth on those CPU speeds. So the issue might be with Civ 4 rather than the mod or your PC.

 

[Toffer90]

i7-7700k is far better than AMD FX 9590 on all accounts.
Even the cheaper i5-7600k or i3-7350k are better than AMD FX 9590 for C2C.
I'm sure AMD FX 9590 would play certain multi threaded games better than i3-7350k.
The intel CPU's are often faster at single core operations, which is the most important parameter for C2C.

All the above mentioned intel cpu's can be overclocked (OC) easily at huge performance gains
OC amount does depends a lot on cooling system used, one should buy something better than what is typically bundled with those CPU's from the store. My i5-2500k is overclocked from 3.2 GHz to 4.4 GHz, and I don't even use water cooling.

P.S.
Intel 1GHz ▬ does not equal ▬ AMD 1GHz ▬ where speed is concerned
intel typically has a higher effective performance per GHz than AMD due to better integrated circuit architecture.

 

[JosEPh_II]

Which cpu is better for c2c ? AMD FX 9590 or Intel7700k ? AMD FX 9590 is 4,7 ghz fast and Intel7700k 4,2. I don´t know which cpu ist more overclockable and I don´t know with which cpu c2c works more fluidly. AMD FX 9590 is much cheaper and it seems it works better than Intel 7700k but Intel need much less Energy than the AMD cpu.
I haven´t found a motherboard where i can put ddr4 memorysticks to a AMD Cpu. Only ddr3 memorysticks. By ddr4 i can put a 16 gb 4800 mhz memorystick in the mainboard but with a AMD motherboard i can put max a 8 gb memorystick with 2100 mhz.

I don´t know so sure by which hardware it will be work more fluidly. I have now 2 x 2 gb memory sticks right now with a intel 2,5 ghz cpu and I hate it that at duel size in the late game phase the city seetings lag soooo much, especially when i want set my specialist in my towns. In the standart earth map a turn load 1 min at the beginning.

Either CPU is fine. There are question with using DDR4 ram. It is slower on processing than DDR3 for Main ram from the reports I've seen.

Since Civ IV is a single thread 32 bit engine game the CPU clockspeed is one of the most important things to look for. The game itself will not use more than 4GB of main ram. So more Ram is only important for background apps running while the computer is on.

A 1 or 2 GB video card with either DDR3 but preferably DDR5 vram is good enough for the video. I have been looking at several Vcards with 4 GB DDR5 myself but can't spend hundreds of $ for one of the top of the line cards.

I use an i7 2600K 3.8 Ghz CPU, 2nd gen. i7, with 8GB DDR3 1066Mhz main ram. I have never overclocked it though.

My video card is an older Nvidia GTX 550 ti with 1 GB DDR5 vram. And I don't generally have MAFs.

 

[BUDDHAALIEN]

i7-7700k is far better than AMD FX 9590 on all accounts.
Even the cheaper i5-7600k or i3-7350k are better than AMD FX 9590 for C2C.
I'm sure AMD FX 9590 would play certain multi threaded games better than i3-7350k.
The intel CPU's are often faster at single core operations, which is the most important parameter for C2C.

All the above mentioned intel cpu's can be overclocked (OC) easily at huge performance gains
OC amount does depends a lot on cooling system used, one should buy something better than what is typically bundled with those CPU's from the store. My i5-2500k is overclocked from 3.2 GHz to 4.4 GHz, and I don't even use water cooling.

P.S.
Intel 1GHz ▬ does not equal ▬ AMD 1GHz ▬ where speed is concerned
intel typically has a higher effective performance per GHz than AMD due to better integrated circuit architecture.

How long work your cpu ? Isn´t it a little dangerious to overclock it for a long time ? How long is the lifetime of overclocked intel k cpu´s compare with amd fx cpu´s ? I must admit, that i haven´t overclocked yet in my whole lifetime. But i would be angry when i overclock my intel maybe with water cooling to 5,2 the summer comes or something happened and than i have a destroyed cpu. I have my cpu over 11 years right now. But it is to weak for c2c. :-(

 

[Toffer90]

It's been overclocked for 7 years now.
After overclocking, run prime 95 for some hours as a stress test, if there are no calculation mistakes made by your CPU and its temperature never goes above 80 degrees celsius then you are good to go.
Peak Temperature <= 70 degrees ▬ if you want it to have a long lifetime.
80 degrees peak temperature if you are okay with an aprox. 5 years lifetime.
90 degrees is bad for any CPU.

My CPU seldom goes above 78 degrees celsius, and is typically at 72 degrees when I play the witcher 3 with all CPU dependent graphic options set to highest quality.

Edit: google "stress test" and "prime 95" for tips and guides..

 

[BUDDHAALIEN]

It's been overclocked for 7 years now.
After overclocking, run prime 95 for some hours as a stress test, if there are no calculation mistakes made by your CPU and its temperature never goes above 80 degrees celsius then you are good to go.
Peak Temperature <= 70 degrees ▬ if you want it to have a long lifetime.
80 degrees peak temperature if you are okay with an aprox. 5 years lifetime.
90 degrees is bad for any CPU.

My CPU seldom goes above 78 degrees celsius, and is typically at 72 degrees when I play the witcher 3 with all CPU dependent graphic options set to highest quality.

Edit: google "stress test" and "prime 95" for tips and guides..

Hello again. I have a new computer since summer, but today I first time overclocked in my life.

I have a Intel7700k CPU with 4,2 gbz
An Asus Z270 Mainboard
2xDDR4 2133 mhz memorysticks
A nvidia Geforce1070 graficcard
A really good and strong Towercooler
The game is installed on a SSD-Driver

Before I overclocked it it worked very well. I play the v36 large earth map with over 18 A.I. or more, I haven´t count it yet, but it is a very big list of A.I. . Every turn I must wait 30 seconds. Thats much faster. With my old CPU I had to wait one min in the beginning of the game. Now I an in the renaissance era with much cities and never must wait more than one min. Most 30 sec or less loadingtime. My Capital City is the biggest and when I set the specialists it is a little loadingtime but it is okay. With my old hardware the loadingtime beetween the rounds was over one minute or more. In smaller citys I can set the specialists faster. When I set the production of buildings and units it works much faster, nearly lagless. I think that is cause of the DDR4 2133mhz memory. The game loads really fast right now. With my old hardware I had to wait the whole civilizationsong before my save was loaded. When I createt a new world I had to wait 1 1/2 of the song in v36. And it was a small sized map. Now it loads really fast.Even the biggest maps in the game. I think it is only of the memorysticks, maybe of the CPU too.
I have it right now overclocked to 4,7 ghz and test the game with 4,6 ghz CDU speed very short. I have the feeling I must wait few less seconds till the next round is loaded. Civilization 6 is much faster without overclocking than the c2c mod. I think with this speed right now it is much much faster than before.

I used the apps CPU-Z, Coretemp, Asus Realbench and did a stresstest for 15 min. I haven't used the stresstest over a hour now. I want it do tomorrow.
When I do the stresstest the app Coretemp show me a coretemperature of 84 degrees. But now are the core temp 36 till 40 degrees without the stress test.
I am a little scared about the stress test, even when I can more overclock my CPU, but I don't know if this is good for my CPU. Cause while the stresstest coretemperature was till 84 degrees I was scared to burn my CPU. I don't know if I shouldn't turn down the CPU-Speed to 4,6 ghz CPU-speed in my Bios so the stresstest have never temperatures over 80. But right now the coretemperature is beetween 36-40 with my 4,7 ghz speed. I would overclock it much more to report how the game works over 5 ghz CPU-Speed. But I am a newby with overclocking and want enjoy my lovely new CPU for years.
I hadn't behead the CPU and put this coolingpaste, I don't know how it is called in english when you open your CPU and put coolingpaste on it. The Overclockingguides say you can sink your CPU-Temperature over 20 to 30 degrees. But this game should be playable for normal gamers with normal overclocking.

 

[Toffer90]

Hi again, envy your new rig. ^^

A cooling paste between the CPU and cooling device is a must even when not over-clocking, it will extend the life of your CPU by a lot and the paste should be replaced every 2'nd year or so (it deteriorates over time until it doesn't transfer heat effectively any more)

Do not push your CPU core temp much over 80 degrees (80-85 is ok if it's not sustained over long periods of time), at around 90 you will start getting warnings in the OS and at slightly higher temps your computer will shut down by itself to save your CPU from getting damaged.
I'm pretty sure that you can over-clock that CPU to 5GHz without water cooling.

You should aim at 80 degrees as your maximum CPU temp, lower is always better, but 80 degrees as a max. temp is not a temperature that will drastically shorten CPU lifetime.
It is smart to down-clock to something a bit lower than the maximum that you can get to pass the stress testing. Because the last 100-400 MHz you can gain is not worth the shorter lifetime your CPU will get from pushing it to the limit.

 

[BUDDHAALIEN]

Hi again, envy your new rig. ^^

A cooling paste between the CPU and cooling device is a must even when not over-clocking, it will extend the life of your CPU by a lot and the paste should be replaced every 2'nd year or so (it deteriorates over time until it doesn't transfer heat effectively any more)

Do not push your CPU core temp much over 80 degrees (80-85 is ok if it's not sustained over long periods of time), at around 90 you will start getting warnings in the OS and at slightly higher temps your computer will shut down by itself to save your CPU from getting damaged.
I'm pretty sure that you can over-clock that CPU to 5GHz without water cooling.

You should aim at 80 degrees as your maximum CPU temp, lower is always better, but 80 degrees as a max. temp is not a temperature that will drastically shorten CPU lifetime.
It is smart to down-clock to something a bit lower than the maximum that you can get to pass the stress testing. Because the last 100-400 MHz you can gain is not worth the shorter lifetime your CPU will get from pushing it to the limit.

Beetween the CPU and the mainboard I have a cooling paste of thermal grizzly. But I haven't opened the CPU to replace the standartpaste that is inside the CPU with the thermal grizzly coolingpaste to sink the temperature over 10-20 degrees so I can easy overclock it to 5 ghz or more. The problem is I haven't the guts to open my CPU and glue it alone, cause I am scared I could destroy my CPU and it is over 350 € worth, despite I have a special tool to open CPU's safe. I invested over 1750 € for the best hardware I can get today so I can enjoy this great mod that it is still my absolute favorite game, no matter how much new games are released.. I am happy with my nividia 1070 geforce for other games, it satisfy my desire. I don't know that the new 500 mhz more speed on my PC right now make a big difference for the game civ4 c2c mod. Even when I can overclock it to 5 ghz or more and turn the baseclock up I don't think the game will work total fast and complete without lags. I am happy, that I must only wait 20-30 second with max A.I. and not hours for the next turn.
So with the newest hardware you can now buy the game don't work complete without lags, but they're really small compare to my old PC. Every new game that is release loads immidiataly. So fast, like I would open a new internetsite. So i wanted to report, that even with a overclocked Intel7700K CPU , a ASUS 270 Z Mainboard and 2x8gb 2133 mhz memory SSD-Driver the game don't work complete without lags. It is the only game of all others that lag a little, but not much.

 

[Toffer90]

Whoah, I had no idea that Intel had started using cheap internal thermal paste (TP), Sandy Bridge (the architecture I currently have) and Ivy Bridge (its successor) didn't have internal TP at all, the top lid was soldered directly onto the chip with a good heat conducting solder. I'm shocked that Intel has made this design choice....

Anyhow, if you know what you are doing (tech savvy or otherwise have any experience with similar stuff) then it isn't very risky to change that cheap internal paste with a proper one, but if you are unsure about what you are doing then I would not recommend you try it out on a brand new and expensive CPU, buy a cheap used one online to test the procedure on first.

You said you have the tools: I assume it is not a razor blade but rather something like this:

Spoiler Picture of tool :

P.S.
►Make sure you ground yourself while handling the CPU, and do not wear any wool clothes.

►Static electricity from your skin/clothes can damage sensitive CPU components.​

So with the newest hardware you can now buy the game don't work complete without lags, but they're really small compare to my old PC. Every new game that is release loads immidiataly. So fast, like I would open a new internetsite. So i wanted to report, that even with a overclocked Intel7700K CPU , a ASUS 270 Z Mainboard and 2x8gb 2133 mhz memory SSD-Driver the game don't work complete without lags. It is the only game of all others that lag a little, but not much.

Try out my interface modmod, it should improve performance, perhaps noticeably even.

 

[BUDDHAALIEN]

Whoah, I had no idea that Intel had started using cheap internal thermal paste (TP), Sandy Bridge (the architecture I currently have) and Ivy Bridge (its successor) didn't have internal TP at all, the top lid was soldered directly onto the chip with a good heat conducting solder. I'm shocked that Intel has made this design choice....

Anyhow, if you know what you are doing (tech savvy or otherwise have any experience with similar stuff) then it isn't very risky to change that cheap internal paste with a proper one, but if you are unsure about what you are doing then I would not recommend you try it out on a brand new and expensive CPU, buy a cheap used one online to test the procedure on first.

You said you have the tools: I assume it is not a razor blade but rather something like this:

Spoiler Picture of tool :

P.S.
►Make sure you ground yourself while handling the CPU, and do not wear any wool clothes.

►Static electricity from your skin/clothes can damage sensitive CPU components.​

Try out my interface modmod, it should improve performance, perhaps noticeably even.

That's exactly the tool I have. But how I sayed I am to scared to try this alone only to win 300-500 mhz more speed. I have read much about this and watched many guides on Youtube. But I don't want it try alone, even when it looks so easy.

 

[JosEPh_II]

That's exactly the tool I have. But how I sayed I am to scared to try this alone only to win 300-500 mhz more speed. I have read much about this and watched many guides on Youtube. But I don't want it try alone, even when it looks so easy.

Always better to be cautious with an expensive cpu like you have. Very nice rig too!

 

[Toffer90]

That's exactly the tool I have. But how I sayed I am to scared to try this alone only to win 300-500 mhz more speed. I have read much about this and watched many guides on Youtube. But I don't want it try alone, even when it looks so easy.

Yeah, don't rush into it without thinking at least, be patient and let it be as it is for some time.
Your CPU is new, so the thermal paste inside it should at least function acceptable for 1-2 years. Just remember that you have a really fast CPU as it is, there is no need to break a leg trying to push it to the limit with over-clocking.