Why are sand lions not animals?
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Silverkiss
NekoChan
I´m not sure, but I think Sand Lions are more like a mistycal creature than a normal animal. Like Dragons, or quimeras or the like.
Kael
Deity
They are elementals, creatures formed of sand.
Okay, that makes sense. Leaves one question: how do I counter them? 
(I know their "weakness" is they can only be summoned on desert tiles, but when the enemy brings the fight to my territory, he is free to use scorch as much as he wants to, so it's not really a disadvantage)
(I know their "weakness" is they can only be summoned on desert tiles, but when the enemy brings the fight to my territory, he is free to use scorch as much as he wants to, so it's not really a disadvantage)
Kael
Deity
Okay, that makes sense. Leaves one question: how do I counter them?
Assassinate the conjurer.
I really need to get used to using higher scout units. I did go for Rangers because I thought their + against animals would help me counter the enemy Sheaim's summons, but then there were chaos marauders and the sand lions weren't even animals
I really think the Sheaim are overpowered, but this isn't the place to discuss that I guess I'll give them a try in fire and see if they're still as unstoppable (they will have conjurors way before you have anything that can stop them, and since they are free to build warriors while they tech up to conjurors, there isn't much you can do against them early-game either).
I really think the Sheaim are overpowered, but this isn't the place to discuss that
I guess I'll give them a try in fire and see if they're still as unstoppable (they will have conjurors way before you have anything that can stop them, and since they are free to build warriors while they tech up to conjurors, there isn't much you can do against them early-game either).
Nikis-Knight
Deity
Well, everyone is free to build warriors, which fall like tissue paper to a promoted axeman. I think they are as vulnerable to a rush as the next civ or more.
keep your friends close and your enemies closer...
the best intelligence tells you about an attack before the army has even left thier home city
you may have to adjust your strategy to head off his juggernaut, but as long as the heads not on the juggernaut you won't have to behead it
just-kick it over before it's comeplete
(with nasty magic 3 promotions)
TheBoatman
Warlord
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Try using Hippus Raiders agains early warriors. And their War Chariots with max. 6 movement can stay out of any summoner's range. I worked for me the last game.
Kael
Deity
Nikis: do you really think you're going to have Axemen before they have conjurors? I'd like to see that
The ore model has been pushed to all civs in "Fire". Your Axeman will be weaker without copper, but they are still buildable.
marioflag
History Addict
Kael does it help AI making more powerful units?In other words will we see AI making "axeman" earlier to counter human player units (more advanced or more upgraded)
Kael
Deity
The biggest weakness of the AI in "Light" is resource requirements. The Ai would love nothing more than to build the best units it can, but if it doesn't have copper or iron it doesn't know that it shouldnt be investing all its reserach into the melee branch of the tree.
So you end up with a city full of warriors late in the game because the ai doesnt have the resources needed to build other melee units and it hasnt researched recon units yet.
With the new model the Ai gets rid of those warriors early. You see axemen and macemen, even if they are smaller versions. Resources are still very important, but they wont shut down ai players that dont have them.
Nikis-Knight
Deity
eh? Why not?
Axemen is crafting-->mining-->bronzeworking, build training yard, upgrade a warrior or 3.
Conjurers is ancient chants (which they start with iirc)-->knowledge of the ether-->necro or elementalisn --> summoning, then upgrade an adept, if you have one at high enough level.
same amount of techs if you don't start with mining, but they're each one level up.
If you don't have copper, you'll know it by mining, and can gamble on getting to smelting before they get conjurers, or go for assassains or such.
but then you can't make a strategic descicion to cut off someones metals, because all it will do will lower thier meelee strength by a tiny amount...
i'm not sure if its entirely fair to make it impossible to cut off someones access to meelee or magic-being the two most powerful things in the game
it sort of ruins strategy
Kael
Deity
In my experience its not a tiny amount. Those extra points make all the difference. Its to impacting in Light, but its still a large factor in Fire. But I'll be interested to playtest feedback on it.
Chandrasekhar
Determined
Ah, that's great news. I had hoped that that mechanic would be used for all Civs. Will the Doviello have some sort of twist on it to keep them unique? Like maybe being able to get the metal weapons promotions without a forge or something?
Maniac
Apolyton Sage
You could write python events telling the AI not to research bronze working without copper, not to research iron working without iron.
Morganknight
Warlord
That seems counterintuitive. If they had no copper, wouldn't they want to find iron fairly quickly?
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