Why conservatives care about illegal immigration

[Inqvisitor]

Yeah, thanks for proving my point.

And you're only in North Carolina... sheesh...

How did that prove your point? Making an observation of the ethnicity of who mows your lawn is now racism?

 

[blackheart]

How did that prove your point? Making an observation of the ethnicity of who mows your lawn is now racism?

The joke was poor to begin with. Puerto Ricans are already American citizens when they move to the mainland. Should have used Mexicans or Cubans instead

It's so racism, white people mow lawns too! Discrimination against whites!

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

I know a number of Southerners who love to make "jokes" about race.

"Oh, we were just kidding!"

 

[Inqvisitor]

they're not white, so in his mind, no, it makes them sub-human.

Feel free to prove your accusations...

 

[capslock]

The joke was poor to begin with. Puerto Ricans are already American citizens when they move to the mainland. Should have used Mexicans or Cubans instead

Thats part of the joke.

And thanks, nubs, for making my point. Get a freaking sense of humor, and stop being so overly sensitive about everything. The poor puerto ricans don't need you to protect them. lol

 

[Mr. Dictator]

i think its in poor taste to say the easy life is puerto ricans mowing your lawn

its almost like your comparing your self to a plantation owner, especially when i picture you sitting on the porch with a glass of tea

 

[The Yankee]

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[capslock]

i think its in poor taste to say the easy life is puerto ricans mowing your lawn

its almost like your comparing your self to a plantation owner, especially when i picture you sitting on the porch with a glass of tea

haha you guys are cracking me up.

What do you guys think about blonde jokes? Isn't blondism a serious issue? I bet you yourself are a filthy blondist!

On topic, immigration really isn't that big an issue for me. I think it should be more regulated, but I don't oppose it at all. I also don't understand the hostility toward Inqvisitor when everyone in the France thread was saying pretty much the same thing. Why is it wrong to want to protect your culture? I bet you liberal hippies would be outraged if we made immigrants learn english and actually assimilate. They have a right to their culture, but Inqvisitor doesn't? Are you guys on the Seattle school board?

 

[Spartan117]

How did that prove your point? Making an observation of the ethnicity of who mows your lawn is now racism?

well this is a complete generalization and is sterotyping if you say that all "mowers" are puerto ricans or other latinos

"protecting" culture..please explain i dont understand....if more immigrants come then "culture" is at risk? might as well ban all immigration because "our culture must be protected"

i dont see how i am a "liberal hippie" and just about anyone who lives in the united states assimlate as it is different in the US then in other nations around the world..

i simply state there should be immigration reforms...having to wait 11 years for a shot at citzenship sort of promotes illegal immigration.. i am not saying that justifies coming to the country illegally but inorder to stop illegal immmigration one must understand from immigrant's perspective...this would probably be most effective course

its not racist at all to say that illegal immigration must be stopped and its merely not just a conservative view point this issue needs to be addressed regardless of being aka liberal or conservative

 

[amadeus]

Not at all, I just find it amusing when people use an argument to justify their opinion. But on another topic, they'd totally reverse directions. For instance, I doubt you'd use the "well the rest of Europe is like this" argument if we were discussing the death penalty. I know where I'll place my wager.

Having an opposite opinion on one issue doesn't disqualify you from having a uniform opinion on another.

Actually, much of America was built on the back of slaves who were brought to this country against their will. Many of whom were brought illegally into the country following the ban of importing slaves in the early 1800s.

Slaves did menial work, they didn't build factories, invent new products, or contribute great works of culture. There's no shame in admitting that they didn't really do much of anything except pick cotton and till fields.

The railroads that were built in the mid-late 1800s were often done so w/ Chinese and Irish labor of dubious legality. In the California gold rush THOUSANDS of people came illegally into this country.

So what's the argument here, because it done 150 years ago, it's still a good idea today?

Your last comment, "illegal immigrants have contributed nothing..." is pure speculation. While I've already provided some examples disproving this, I'll agree to disagree until I have the time or interest to expand on the topic.

Other than performing the menial tasks that supposedly "Americans won't do" (an interesting statement to make, since Americans can't get those jobs in the first place because someone from Mexico or Central America has already taken the job) I don't see any contributions to our well-being that they've made.

I'd rather pay a nickel more for my McNuggets then have to worry about 10,000,000+ non-taxpaying illegals soaking up government services.

Many cities all over this country have this as well. I've been to "Little Italys", "Chinatowns", etc... where native languages, dress, tradition, etc... are still carried to this day.

Those areas don't try to strongarm the U.S. government into accomodating them. If anything, a good grasp of the English language is a lot more important here than almost anywhere else, because these minority enclaves are usually tourist destinations.

I live among a ton of Hispanics (mostly Mexican) and almost to a person, whether or not they speak English, they have an interest in learning it and assimiliating. Subsequent generations have and will.

I just got back from Florida and I didn't see it. I saw Spanish-speaking minorities demand their "right" to have themselves recognized as opposed to assimilating like any person from Ireland or Burma or Zambia would have to do.

You are afraid of an imaginary boogeyman.

So the next time I see an illegal migrant, he's an imaginary boogeyman?

Here's where you skipped the part of my prior post that already answers this. I'll quote myself then elaborate. "This fear.... is no differeent than the xenophobic, bigoted fear we've seen of Catholics, the Irish, Africans, Southern Europeans, Jews, Eastern Europeans, the Chinese, etc... in the 1850s, the 1880s, the 1900s, the 1920, etc..."

So, today, its the "Europeans" against the Hispanics. Well, in 1890, it was the WASPs vs. the Southern Europeans. They were the ones who wouldn't integrate and who were going to "destroy" this country. In the 18540s it was the English Protestants against all those scumbag Irish Catholics who were going to ruin the country (hello "Know Nothing" party) In California in the 1880s, its was the Irish vs. the evil Chinese. In the 1920s it was Western Europeans protecting American values from the hordes of Eastern Europeans and Jews, etc...

I don't care what happened in the 20s. Sorry, but the speakeasy is closed!

Sadly, I imagine the year 2050 when on the Civ25 board an American of Mexican and Vietnamese descent argues that all these immigrants from (who cares, pick a place) Kenya are going to destroy the American character.

As so it goes, on and on, ad naseum, forever.

Stop living in fear.

I'm not living in fear, I'm living in reality.

 

[Spartan117]

i dont think it should be argued whether or not illegal immigrants did great things for the country

another thread should be started...how does an illegal immigrant look like? just kidding how can one determine who is an illegal mexican immigrant from other legal latinos..i dont know i would find it pretty tough..what characteristics does one look for

are you spanish speaking

 

[drkodos]

United States wants to send its own less-white people out to kill other less-white people. In order to do so, the country must allow more of them to be live stateside legally so their children can be harvested.

People are a nation's greatest resource, you know.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Slaves did menial work, they didn't build factories, invent new products, or contribute great works of culture. There's no shame in admitting that they didn't really do much of anything except pick cotton and till fields.

Slaves had no much free time to build factories. You were enslaving them all the day, you know... Although they had enough time to create Jazz one of the greatest works of culture in USA. Ignorance is so amusing...

OTOH i think that cotton being picked up for free was way more important for USA than works of culture, wasnt it?

 

[sysyphus]

Although they had enough time to create Jazz one of the greatest works of culture in USA. Ignorance is so amusing...

And the blues as well.

 

[Che Guava]

And the blues as well.

Database: African American Inventors

 

[blackheart]

And thanks, nubs, for making my point. Get a freaking sense of humor, and stop being so overly sensitive about everything. The poor puerto ricans don't need you to protect them. lol

Bolded part - exactly what Pontiuth Pilate was talking about.

On topic, immigration really isn't that big an issue for me. I think it should be more regulated, but I don't oppose it at all. I also don't understand the hostility toward Inqvisitor when everyone in the France thread was saying pretty much the same thing. Why is it wrong to want to protect your culture? I bet you liberal hippies would be outraged if we made immigrants learn english and actually assimilate. They have a right to their culture, but Inqvisitor doesn't? Are you guys on the Seattle school board?

I don't think everyone in the "France thread" advocated killing all the illegal immigrants. And don't call generalize by calling everyone liberal hippies, it makes you look less intelligent.

And the blues as well.

Not to mention peanut butter

 

[capslock]

What PP was saying, is that I'm racist. I am not racist. Having a sense of humor is now racist, i guess. Alot of comedians are going to be out of work.

Oh, you don't like being called a liberal hippy? Then do something besides call me a racist homophobe in every thread I post in. (^^this is general statement, not directed at you specifically)

 

[Spartan117]

as i said before:
its not racist at all to say that illegal immigration must be stopped and its merely not just a conservative view point this issue needs to be addressed regardless of being aka liberal or conservative

all people are conservative about some things and liberal about others

 

[The Yankee]

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