Why doesn't CVI4 have troop carrying land units?
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Meffy
humanoid skunk
I'd think play balance but don't know. I do indeed remember the paratroopers with fondness, but suspect they too might unbalance the game. Too good.
Yzman
Deity
There is no need for land transports. the units would get there in the same time more than likely.
MrPaladin
Warlord
After you reserch the tech that allows you to use enemy roads.... it becomes easy...
EDIT: there is no tech that does this, read next post
sry...
EDIT: there is no tech that does this, read next post
sry...
MrPaladin
Warlord
I'm sorry, I didn't mean tech... its an upgrade a unit can recieve... I think I saw it on a tank....
FluffyRabbit
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MrPaladin said:
Yes, it's the Commando promotion that allows a unit to use enemy roads.
A transport chopper would be good. Move 4, capacity 1, low defence?
Mechanized transports. Move 2, carries 2 (gunpowder, but not mech inf) units. Useful to get your SAM infantry through enemy territory faster.
Mobile Airfield. Move 1, "Carries 1" Air unit, cannot enter transports.
Mountain guide. Move 1, can cross mountain peaks, carries 1 unit (no modern armor, mech infantry, seige weapons, or helicopters).
Mechanized transports. Move 2, carries 2 (gunpowder, but not mech inf) units. Useful to get your SAM infantry through enemy territory faster.
Mobile Airfield. Move 1, "Carries 1" Air unit, cannot enter transports.
Mountain guide. Move 1, can cross mountain peaks, carries 1 unit (no modern armor, mech infantry, seige weapons, or helicopters).
lost_civantares
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I wouldn't like the "mountain guide" promotion, I think that having mountains as totally immpassable make choke points much more viable (and potientially making forts useful to), and anyway in most mountain ranges there are enough places that this promotion would not be worth it compared to other promotions.
Meffy
humanoid skunk
Commando's great but in my not-that-warlike games I rarely get more than a few units with it.
Perfect_Blue
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Or how about some transport plane? You could load up 3-4 troops on a transport plane and then rebase it to another city. Maybe not worth implementing, but that would be a 'realistic' transport, perhaps...
Perfect_Blue
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~slap's face~ Big duh....sorry. That wasn't me, that was some jerk that used my fingers! 
edit: it's obviously been a while since I played that far
edit: it's obviously been a while since I played that far
MNGhost said:
Yeah I think Airport is pretty cool but it only allows one unit per turn and you have to wait a turn to use the unit. I have never noticed, is the unit there for to defend the city on the AI's turn after you tranport?
And yes, I think paratroopers would cause some unbalance in the game but I sure do remember using them. And transport that could carry tons of units instead of 4. And aircraft carriers would hold a lot of aircraft as well.
I'm sure the designers know what thery're doing in CIV4 and I really love the game but I can't help missing some of the old stuff......
jlocke
Cold Warrior
You can mod transport units, but the AI will never use it.
Paasky tried this in his WW2 mod
Paasky tried this in his WW2 mod
I think the airports are limited the way they are to prevent people from airlifting armies to a single airfield.
I had a strat in Civ 3:
1) Build airports in all your cities. Make sure you have at least one unit in each city ready to go invade.
2) Load up a transport with enough marines (which were the only units in Civ 3 that could attack directly from the transport) to take a single lightly defended city scouted out in advance.
3) Put a worker in the transport(s) with them.
4) Declare war, attack the city.
5) After taking the city, move the transport into the city, and unload the worker. This would let the worker still take it's turn the same turn you took the city.
5) Move the worker out of the city on a road, and build an airfield
6) Airlift the main force to the airfield.
And if all goes well you had an SoD parked on the other continent (or island, or whatever) before the AI would have any chance at all to react to it or prevent it. It was very unbalancing since the airfield would be practically impossible to destroy or retake since there would always be a fresh stack of 20-30 units on it, and in Civ3 if you had a unit sitting on an airfield it was your airfield even if they retook the city.
I had a strat in Civ 3:
1) Build airports in all your cities. Make sure you have at least one unit in each city ready to go invade.
2) Load up a transport with enough marines (which were the only units in Civ 3 that could attack directly from the transport) to take a single lightly defended city scouted out in advance.
3) Put a worker in the transport(s) with them.
4) Declare war, attack the city.
5) After taking the city, move the transport into the city, and unload the worker. This would let the worker still take it's turn the same turn you took the city.
5) Move the worker out of the city on a road, and build an airfield
6) Airlift the main force to the airfield.
And if all goes well you had an SoD parked on the other continent (or island, or whatever) before the AI would have any chance at all to react to it or prevent it. It was very unbalancing since the airfield would be practically impossible to destroy or retake since there would always be a fresh stack of 20-30 units on it, and in Civ3 if you had a unit sitting on an airfield it was your airfield even if they retook the city.
Lordclane
Chieftain
I think paratroopers were dropped because it was too difficult to program the AI to use them intelligently, and the player having them and being able to use them made them too powerful. A lot of things in Civ IV are "attenuated" versions of what was in Civ III because of the potential power of them couldn't be adequately utilized by the AI.
Mr. Civtastic
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The main problem with paratroopers was that they could take over a city after just one nuke. Well I got an idea...make it so that they cant take over cities that were nuked in the same turn. That way you could still drop them in cities that you took over the old-fashioned way, but firaxis wouldnt have to worry about the ol nuke and paradrop.
Damion_Foster
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Mr. Civtastic said:
well on one side...that might work, but with the
fallout shelter units get what...a 50% chance of living through a nuclear bomb? so that might..MIGHT work...but on the other hand, look at how cheap paratroopers were...they were so expendable it was unreal...so what would happy is you would build up a bunch and then drop them on key resources (aluminum, uranium, oil, ect) and destroy the mine or whatever and then let them die....one way or another the paratrooper was a WAY over powered unit
