Why Ice mana?

[Avahz Darkwood]

There is already Water mana and Ice is just another from of water. I understand the back story and Mulcarn, but wouldnt a mana type more akin to Stasis or Frost mana be more accurate. Most all elements have a freezing point not just water...

 

[Kael]

There is already Water mana and Ice is just another from of water. I understand the back story and Mulcarn, but wouldnt a mana type more akin to Stasis or Frost mana be more accurate. Most all elements have a freezing point not just water...

Its just a name. Sun mana doesnt relate specifically to the celestial body, just a tag for what it represents.

 

[Avahz Darkwood]

Its just a name. Sun mana doesnt relate specifically to the celestial body, just a tag for what it represents.

A Rose by any other Name....

 

[Fenboy]

Because Ice is a nice, simple word everyone understands?...

 

[JDexter]

...and ice is quite common a "fantasy element" as water, air, earth or fire are. Even though none of those is a real element either.

Ice is good!

 

[BeefontheBone]

...and ice is quite common a "fantasy element" as water, air, earth or fire are. Even though none of those is a real element either.

Ice is good!

A Song of Molybdenum and Manganese doesn't have quite the same ring to it, though...

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

A Song of Molybdenum and Manganese doesn't have quite the same ring to it, though...

ROFL

 

[Esbilon]

A Song of Silver and Gold could be ok though

 

[xienwolf]

Yes, the Dwarven National Anthem is pretty good now that you mention it...

 

[Vanion]

Gold gold gold gold gold gold...?

That the one?

Good to see that there are other people enjoying A Song of Ice and Fire here, tho ;-)

 

[Miloe]

A little off topic maybe but id love to see lightning/thunder mana also. It would make the elemental cycle complete:

Fire melts Ice
Ice compacts Wind
Wind erodes Earth
Earth grounds Thunder
Thunder electrifies Water
Water douses Fire

Not that it matters in FFH but to me it just seems incomplete now

 

[xienwolf]

Click on the link "Mana Chart" in my signature to see all the Spheres that will be used in FfH Pretty solid and set already.

 

[OzzyKP]

Click on the link "Mana Chart" in my signature to see all the Spheres that will be used in FfH Pretty solid and set already.

A very cool chart.

I don't understand the relationships and order between the various mana though. Unless the arrangement of the mana wasn't supposed to have meaning.

 

[xienwolf]

It is very much ordered that way on purpose. Opposites on the chart means opposite Nature. The further apart the more opposed. Those on the same branch as one another share some common thread as well.

For Instance:

Water & Fire are opposite one another, as are Shadow & Sun along the same branches. Fire & Sun share a link in their heat and turmoil. Shadow & Water share a link in their coolness and deception (when you reach into the water to try and grab a fish for example. Where you see the fish and where it REALLY is are two different things).

Law, Mind & Force share the common link of Control & Connection, and stand opposed to Chaos, Enchantment & Dimensional, which share the common link of seperation & the Unknown.


And at the center is Metamagic, which is to represent a Harmony & Connection of all things.

 

[Rod]

hello,

I really like your Mana Chart, lots of thoughts inside and a VERY attractive design !!

But, I have a few suggestions to make ..
i would suggest to set Sun and shadow more apart instead of fire and Water.

also I am not entirely convinced of the force-mind-law branch and it adjacent branches.

I would rather put mind opposite to spirit (in terms of reason versus emotion).

body versus enchantment (natural versus artificial)

and actually Ice has more in common with air or with water then with entropy.

in a nutshell what about following


Sun - Nature - Fire - Water - Ice - Shadow

Creation - Life - - Earth - Air - Death - Entropy

Law - Enchantment - Spirit - Mind - Body - Chaos

(this is the same principle as the mana chart. Sun opposes Shadow, as Fire opposes Water and Nature opposes Ice, but Sun is also linked to Nature and to Fire and Water is also linked to Ice and to Shadow)
Please also notice that this order follows are Good vs. Evil scheme (based on FFH lore)

So left are the good manas, right the evil ones. As more left or more right as more good or evil. The middle is neutral. (elements are neutral for me)

 

[TheJopa]

Ice is more than frozen water. It represents stagnation, stasis. So it would be the opposite of Nature, which represents slow growth and development. Next to Ice (stagnation, conservation) is Entropy (Destruction, disintegration, strive for 'lesser'), and Entropy is opposed by Creation.

 

[Rod]

See the opposition is also there in my scheme right, You have to read it like the original one .. So creation opposes entropy and nature (growth) opposes ice (aka stasis) I did not change that.

Nevertheless what I did I broke the connection between entropy and ice.

See entropy is destruction. Therefore entropy is opposite creation, but stasis and destruction are certainly not in sinc as well. Stasis wants to preserve not to destroy. A destroyed world can not be preserved.
Nature wants to grow and certainly not to preserve, but nevertheless Nature does not want to create as well. It is just neverending growth of the existing world. Therefore there is no connection between ice and entropy and there is no connection between Creation and Nature. It are different things.

(See it like this. Creation includes articial creation which is strictly opposed by Nature. Destruction would destroy the balance of stasis together with everything else (and in the end to reborn the world , because creation and destruction are linked in a circle and so are stasis and growth but there is no circle that connects stasis and destruction)

 

[rusty217]

It is more than just a mana chart though....

It is also related to the 21 gods of erebus and the 21 civilizations, it doesn't only show elemental opposition but also the division and allegiences of the gods and civilizations...

 

[Algeroth]

It is also related to the 21 gods of erebus and the 21 civilizations, it doesn't only show elemental opposition but also the division and allegiences of the gods and civilizations...

No it doesn't.

It makes Mammon aligned with Junil, Nantosuelta with Ceridwen and Camulos, Bhall the fallen with Lugus. It puts Arwin and sidars to the bad boys camp and make ithem enemy of Succelus. And i don't know why the elemental gods should be in opposition.

/rant

 

[rusty217]

No it doesn't.

It makes Mammon aligned with Junil, Nantosuelta with Ceridwen and Camulos, Bhall the fallen with Lugus. It puts Arwin and sidars to the bad boys camp and make ithem enemy of Succelus. And i don't know why the elemental gods should be in opposition.

/rant

True, division may be wrong, and it may not link with what is happening in the age of rebirth, but when the angels were first created it fits more....

Mammon was the angel of foresight and Junil the angel of justice, foresight is good to judge justice, is it not?

Nantosuelta the angel of faith with Ceridwen (stars) and Camulos (peace), seems fitting....

Arawn isn't really in the "bad boys camp" as originally he was the angel of both life and death.....