Why is everyone so angry?

Mr Spice

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I have been reading the discussions on this forum for about a year and I must say that I am a little troubled by the resent change in atmosphere here. Before Civ III was released everyone was cheerful and friendly. Then, all of a sudden, it seems as if many of you were overwhelmed by hatred. Almost every single one of the last couple of hundred threads simply oozes from anger, many posts are written by people who sound as if they are just about to snap.

Don´t you think it´s time to calm down a bit? Abd perhaps get some perspective on things? It´s just a computer game, remember. I know that Civ is Civ and what I just wrote could be considered blasemy, but even the Origin of Computer Gaming as we know it is still just a game.

Yes, I too know the feeling of being unable to stop playing a good game even though you are supposed to leave for work in just two hours. I too used to spend many nights addicted to the two previos Civ titles (Civ III has not been released in Sweden yet…). I too have had very high – probably unrealisticly high – expectations on Civ III. I too know the feeling of dissapointment that you get when high expectations aren´t completly fullfilled. But it´s still just a computer game…

Many of the issues discussed on this forum seem to regard real flaws in the game, I´m not arguing with that. It does look like a patch is needed. But why can´t we disuss these topics in a more civilized manner? The guys at Firaxis have worked very hard for a long time on this game and they deserve some credit, don´t you think? After all, as I understand it, most of you who are fortunate enough to have the game actually do enjoy it ”big picture”-wise.

My belief is, that if we are able to discuss the flaws of the game in a friendly tone, then Firaxis will be more prone to fix them in the upcoming patch. And that´s what we all want, isn´t it?

Mr. Spice

Edit: I was just trying out some options on my oldest post, to avoid confusion in ongoing discussions.
 
Actually, people were complaigning even BEFORE the game came out. The people complagning now are pretty much the same people who were complainging before.
Go figure.
 
Without multi-player support the game sucks.

End of story. I got my money back and will download a warez version when multi-player support comes out. I will not be giving my hard earned money to a bunch of lazy-ass programmers.
 
1) The sound is all screwed up. No matter what I do. ( won't even go into the opeing movie not playing.)

2) I keep getting my butt handed to me by the AI ;)


To heck with cultural win! The Germanes, and Egyptions will feel my rath!
 
Ic3man, let me state this simply:

YOU SUCK! YOU ARE THE LAZY ONE!

They worked hard on this game- the sheer amount of art in it is astounding, the complexity of the AI is really up a notch, and it was an effort that shows lots of love.

Go back into your hole you selfish cretin.
 
Originally posted by lc3man
Without multi-player support the game sucks.

End of story. I got my money back and will download a warez version when multi-player support comes out. I will not be giving my hard earned money to a bunch of lazy-ass programmers.

You are pathetic, truly you are. Do you have any idea of how much effort goes into making even the simplest of computer games? You think that after years of work they deserve nothing for their efforts because it lacks multiplayer? Civ2 didn't have multiplayer at first neither did Civ1 so QUIT YER *****ING.
 
Ic3man....I have nothing but distain for you. What you just said is perhaps one of the most egocentric, ignorant, arrogant peices of pure crap i have ever read

That was stupid, and so are you for saying


(I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul)
 
looks like Iceman has already been put in place but let me just add......

Civ is a great game even without multiplayer and how many people actually even finish a multiplayer game when playing aginst 4 or more people? I have a hard enough time on single player alone, it takes sooo long. Civ would be the best multiplayer game ever if they were able to incorporate it properly but is that possible?

I'm guessing it's problems like this that firaxis is trying to figure out.
 
Hi,

I want to confess that I am guilty of posting something negative. I know I should only post positive things and sing Kumbaya. I apologize.

Civ III is a great game. It has so many great improvements over CIV II that it would be hard to mention them all. Does the game have flaws? Yes. But since I have flaws too (like posting a negative thread on this message board), I should be more forgiving. I am sorry.:(

:D
 
whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.... :)

Nah- I'm loving the game and looking forward to improvements... here's some GOOD news: I took the time to write a lengthy email full of suggestions (only reasonable ones I think) to Firaxis and lo and BEHOLD Mr. Magaha sent me an email thanking me for the input and that he forwarded it to the design team.

They ARE listening and they DO care. If you write them write neatly, in an organized fashion, don't be a jerk, send chocolate, and thank them.

Oh! And it ain't cretin's like Ic3man who pay the salaries of those talented programmers and artists as they CONTINUE to develop this game, it's the "idiots" like me who pay the 49.99 and happily unwrap the box knowing that a fair trade has taken place.

THANK YOU FIRAXIS!
 
Originally posted by lc3man
Without multi-player support the game sucks.

End of story. I got my money back and will download a warez version when multi-player support comes out. I will not be giving my hard earned money to a bunch of lazy-ass programmers.

I think everyone's being just a little to hard on Ic3man.

Let me start off by saying that i am a single player fan of Civ. I just can't get into multiplayer for some reason - but thats just a personal preference of mine.

It does however irk me that they would release this game without MP and I understand why multi-player fans are angry. I mean look at civ's track record:

Civ 1 released.
Civnet released (people that wanted multiplayer needed to purchase the same game AGAIN)
<can't blame them here though because multiplayer wasn't as big when the first civ was released>

Civ 2 released (no multiplayer)
Civ 2 Multiplayer Gold (those that wanted multiplayer had to purchase virtually the IDENTICAL game AGAIN. Not just a $20 add on program - but a $50 game - almost identical to the first)
Thats just greed pure and simple on the part of the manufacturer and it makes me sick.

Civ 3 released (no multiplayer AGAIN)
You can absolutely bet that they're going to be selling us the "Civ III multiplayer Gold edition for ANOTHER $50 within a year)

This is in a time where multiplayer is almost STANDARD on ANY new game. If someone released a first person shooter without multiplayer - we'd be cursing and swearing and jumping all over it. BUT because this is our beloved Civ we are letting it slide "this time"

It's because we "let it slide" that greedy corporations will continue to screw us in this fashion.

I love Civilization... It's one of the greatest games of all time and if I decide that i want to play this game i WILL be purchasing it and not pirating it... but I do think people like Ic3man have every right to be upset at Firaxis/Infogames. Our loyalty has only been rewarded with greed once again.
 
Yeah Redwolf! In fact... during the last year and next year, they'll be hanging out in the bahamas doing tequila shooters and cackling over the success of their evil scheme. It probably took them all of an afternoon to change Civ2 into Civ3!

Those evil rat-fiends!!!! Just the other day I bumped into my computer and out came Civ4!

... I never knew my computer had that port, but that's another story for a happier time...

So... Who wants to but my version of Civ4? I'll have multiplayer sometime in May after I get back from the bahamas.

(yes... yes, this was sarcasm.)

Seriously. Sure, they may be milking us a little, but they put in a lot of hard work supporting a genre that isn't exactly the hottest thing these days.
 
RedWolf, I'd agree with you except... YEAH, if anyone LOOKED at the track record with half a brain they'd see it: Civ is a SINGLE player game FIRST and THEN a multiplayer- it has NEVER been designed with MP primarily in mind.

But mr Ic*P*MAN isn't rational enough to see that.

And no one here was too hard on Ic3man because no one here hit him in the head and gave him a black eye which is what he really deserves. I am so sick of immature excuses for software piracy I have no patience for it anymore- hell I even BOUGHT my OS! :(

Ic3man OTOH has promised to rip of the artists who created this program because he didn't get enough syrup with his waffles SOON enough... The wimp will WAIT for MP and then RIP off the people who made the game.

BTW: Go do a search of his posts and check out the tone of EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! If THIS isn't someone who deserves to be banned, I don't who could qualify...
 
Originally posted by gorilladf

2) I keep getting my butt handed to me by the AI ;)
To heck with cultural win! The Germanes, and Egyptions will feel my rath!

I don't know what you mean! The combat is really easy!

You merely are crap at it!
 
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