Why is the Khevsur unit hated a lot?

[Jewelrunna]

Well, problem one with the Khevsur might more or less solved - the unit is less garbage than it was before. 45 combat strength with the battlecry promotion makes it a decent turtling unit, especially in hills. And the ~10% production cost reduction may not sound substantial, but my gut tells me that this will go a long ways towards letting players build two Khevsureti where only one would have been viable.

Two more things remain that limit the unit though. One, it still requires Military Tactics to be researched, which is a dead end tech, and one you’re not likely to beeline. And second, the unit has to be hard built, you can’t just upgrade your swordsmen into them. These second two issues will have to be resolved in a future expansion, but if Military Tactics becomes a more valuable tech (by way of unlocking further techs or just unlocking more things to build) or Firaxis introduce a medieval Melee unit that the Khevsureti replace and can be upgraded into, then I’d say we have a pretty solid defense unit. As it stands though, the Khevsureti are simply no longer the worst unit in the game. They’re just also not anything to write home about.

 

[Tiger Genocide]

Well, problem one with the Khevsur might more or less solved - the unit is less garbage than it was before. 45 combat strength with the battlecry promotion makes it a decent turtling unit, especially in hills. And the ~10% production cost reduction may not sound substantial, but my gut tells me that this will go a long ways towards letting players build two Khevsureti where only one would have been viable.

Two more things remain that limit the unit though. One, it still requires Military Tactics to be researched, which is a dead end tech, and one you’re not likely to beeline. And second, the unit has to be hard built, you can’t just upgrade your swordsmen into them. These second two issues will have to be resolved in a future expansion, but if Military Tactics becomes a more valuable tech (by way of unlocking further techs or just unlocking more things to build) or Firaxis introduce a medieval Melee unit that the Khevsureti replace and can be upgraded into, then I’d say we have a pretty solid defense unit. As it stands though, the Khevsureti are simply no longer the worst unit in the game. They’re just also not anything to write home about.

Are we sure about that? Aside from naval units, is there any other melee blocker style unit that is worse than this one?

 

[Softly]

Egypt chariot archer is def the worst unit in the game. Not being able to pre-build chariots to upgrade into knights is absolutely devastating. With the Khevsur at least there are no downsides if you just completely ignore the unit,

 

[Tiger Genocide]

Egypt chariot archer is def the worst unit in the game. Not being able to pre-build chariots to upgrade into knights is absolutely devastating. With the Khevsur at least there are no downsides if you just completely ignore the unit,

No way. Chariot Archers are pretty strong and can be scary to fight against (especially on Emp-Deity). For starters they are very early in the game. Civs with early UU's tend to be strong. Egypt is decent in multiplayer against neighbors that do not have early UUs. Using even one or two as a ranged defense in a city center can push back warcarts and other units very well. Having 35 ranged combat strength is huge. That's 10 more combat strength than archers and Saka Horse Archers. They get two movement points more on flat land.

They have high production costs and turn in ranged units for upgrades, which until machine guns, are not that bad at all.

Egypt's UU is the best part of Egypt outside of it's trade routes. The rest of Egypt's traits are weak, which is why no one considers it top tier. It's probably the weakest early UU having civ, but it is still stronger than Georgia.

 

[Tiger Genocide]

When you think about it, the Cree probably has the weakest UU in the game. The Okihtcitaw is not good for fights early on and is just a more durable unit, less likely to get ganged up on by barbs. They are very unlikely to ever buff it, because doing that too much could make it overpowered and just another warcart like spamming civ.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Well, it's only worse against spears than warriors are plus they can steal builders more easily with the free promotion. I mean it's not great, but at least it does something as opposed to 1/2 the UUs out there.

 

[Jewelrunna]

Are we sure about that? Aside from naval units, is there any other melee blocker style unit that is worse than this one?

I’d say the Okihtcitaw, U-Boat, P-51 Mustang, Sea Dog, Highlander, and the Garde Imperiale are all more lackluster than the Khevsur. Maybe the Crouching Tiger as well.

 

[acluewithout]

The Sea Dog wins the race I think.