Here's the scoop. This part of the forum sucks. Where else will you find at least 5 threads about what civs suck and which ones are the best and which ones shouldn't be civs. This whole section is nothing but a place for flamewars. I know that the "Civilization Whines" thread has been posted by the moderators, but how can this section continue without people saying which civs are the best, which ones don't deserve to be a civ, which ones have stupid leaders, which ones are the worst. The fact is, if you haven't figured it out in these past months is that civs had to be added in to make the 4 cultures, ex. The America's, Africa, Europe and Asia, then you're stupid. Who the hell cares if somebody thinks that the American civ should not be a civ? This section contributes nothing, that's the bottom line. I don't care about any of the replies that are written here, so save your flame for another section.