Wonder Elimination Thread
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Statue of Liberty (14) +1
Sydney Opera House (13)
Taj Mahal (13)
Colossus (2) -2
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (25)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (5)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
In a tall empire the Statue of Liberty can be like an Ironworks in each city. Such an awesome production boost.
The Colossus is like a few other early wonders in that it just costs too many turns for the small benefit it gives. There is just better stuff to be building then. If there is an upside it is that the AI rarely builds it quick so sometimes you can get it on the cheap (< 8 turns) in the Medieval era. They ought to make it give +1
for all sea resources worked empire wide instead of the city it is in.
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Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14) +1
Sydney Opera House (13)
Taj Mahal (13)
Colossus (2) -2
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (25)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (5)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
In a tall empire the Statue of Liberty can be like an Ironworks in each city. Such an awesome production boost.
The Colossus is like a few other early wonders in that it just costs too many turns for the small benefit it gives. There is just better stuff to be building then. If there is an upside it is that the AI rarely builds it quick so sometimes you can get it on the cheap (< 8 turns) in the Medieval era. They ought to make it give +1
for all sea resources worked empire wide instead of the city it is in.
bryanw1995
Emperor
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Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14) +1
Sydney Opera House (13)
Taj Mahal (13)
Colossus 0 (-2)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26) +1
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (5)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Hagia Sophia is the best b/c it was already useful without the free GP, now you get the great original bonus + another free wonder/faster tech progression/etc etc.
Colossus sucks less now that it is +5 gpt, but as stated it is typically not worth the early hammers to get it.
Chichen Itza (15)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Himeji Castle (8)
Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14) +1
Sydney Opera House (13)
Taj Mahal (13)
Colossus 0 (-2)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26) +1
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (5)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Hagia Sophia is the best b/c it was already useful without the free GP, now you get the great original bonus + another free wonder/faster tech progression/etc etc.
Colossus sucks less now that it is +5 gpt, but as stated it is typically not worth the early hammers to get it.
Big Ben (12)
Chichen Itza (15)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Himeji Castle (8)
Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (13)
Taj Mahal (11)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (6)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Taj Mahal is worst than The Louvre because i often need to build the ironworks and National Treasury when it becomes available. Cities need to build markets, workshops and universities and capital build the national wonders. The Louvre comes in a time where i'm close of a cultural victory or i use it for extra GA turns from the 2 great artists and get extra hammers for the last spaceship parts.
(I said this many times before patch and things between these 2 wonders are unchanged)
I know this is a highly debatable question because some of you really disagree about this statement. I have a play style appropriated for fastest time victories and mp focused so i may be not in the same range of some of you.
Chichen Itza (15)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Himeji Castle (8)
Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (13)
Taj Mahal (11)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (6)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Taj Mahal is worst than The Louvre because i often need to build the ironworks and National Treasury when it becomes available. Cities need to build markets, workshops and universities and capital build the national wonders. The Louvre comes in a time where i'm close of a cultural victory or i use it for extra GA turns from the 2 great artists and get extra hammers for the last spaceship parts.
(I said this many times before patch and things between these 2 wonders are unchanged)
I know this is a highly debatable question because some of you really disagree about this statement. I have a play style appropriated for fastest time victories and mp focused so i may be not in the same range of some of you.
Big Ben (12)
Chichen Itza (15)
Eiffel Tower (16) +1
Himeji Castle (8)
Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (13)
Taj Mahal (11)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (4) -2
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Voting for Louvre more to keep it ahead of Colossus than anything. Most every time I build it, I find a good use for those Great Artists. Given its timing, I've found them especially handy for snatching up Aluminum Uranium that appears just outside my cultural borders, and I'm not above snatching them from a CS or civ. With two, you can even grab a nice 8 stack of Aluminum or 4 stack of Uranium that appears two tiles outside your borders.
Voting down Colossus because it's too local. Early game we're talking about an extra 7 gold per turn, and late game it'll still only be about 15 even with the Market/Bank/Stock Market Bonuses. I think perhaps with 2-3 more Great Merchant points it would be decent.
Well I left this tab open way too long.
Voting down Louvre because although useful to snatch up a nice patch of Aluminum or Uranium on a map where you don't have any within easy access, it's too situational to come ahead of any of the other wonders that are useful pretty much all the time.
Eiffel Tower because that's still a heck of a lot of happiness. It makes for a fantastic boost before going for a conquest push (or recovery after a conquest push).
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Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (13)
Taj Mahal (11)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (4) -2
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Voting down Colossus because it's too local. Early game we're talking about an extra 7 gold per turn, and late game it'll still only be about 15 even with the Market/Bank/Stock Market Bonuses. I think perhaps with 2-3 more Great Merchant points it would be decent.
Well I left this tab open way too long.
Voting down Louvre because although useful to snatch up a nice patch of Aluminum or Uranium on a map where you don't have any within easy access, it's too situational to come ahead of any of the other wonders that are useful pretty much all the time.
Eiffel Tower because that's still a heck of a lot of happiness. It makes for a fantastic boost before going for a conquest push (or recovery after a conquest push).
jdog5000
Revolutionary
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Hanging Gardens (18)
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Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
The Taj Mahal gives only a standard golden age. There are a lot of other ways to get one, it's just not that special.
The Sydney Opera House got a nice boost in the patch, adding +50% culture in the city it's built in and coming earlier so the free SP still matters. It's very nice for cultural play, no longer just a "get me culture victory 8 turns faster" wonder.
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Eiffel Tower (16)
Himeji Castle (8)
Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (14) +1
Taj Mahal (9) -2
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Louvre (4)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
The Taj Mahal gives only a standard golden age. There are a lot of other ways to get one, it's just not that special.
The Sydney Opera House got a nice boost in the patch, adding +50% culture in the city it's built in and coming earlier so the free SP still matters. It's very nice for cultural play, no longer just a "get me culture victory 8 turns faster" wonder.
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Eiffel Tower (16)
Himeji Castle (8)
Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (14)
Taj Mahal (7)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Louvre (4)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
(+) Hanging Gardens: Recently played a game with Egypt... OMG was next to a mountain and surrounded by plains and quite a few hills. Game over once I got that thing built. This is the wonder that keeps on giving as it allows you to out produce and out grow the AI, allowing you to get to other wonders you want for your strategy more quickly.
(-) Taj Mahal: A decent wonder, especially paired with Chichen Itza and finished during a golden age from happiness. Can spend nearly an entire era in a golden age with this wonder. However it requires Chichen Itza to be really worthwhile, so it's a utility wonder, and lesser than those around at this point.
Chichen Itza (15)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Himeji Castle (8)
Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (14)
Taj Mahal (7)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Louvre (4)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
(+) Hanging Gardens: Recently played a game with Egypt... OMG was next to a mountain and surrounded by plains and quite a few hills. Game over once I got that thing built. This is the wonder that keeps on giving as it allows you to out produce and out grow the AI, allowing you to get to other wonders you want for your strategy more quickly.
(-) Taj Mahal: A decent wonder, especially paired with Chichen Itza and finished during a golden age from happiness. Can spend nearly an entire era in a golden age with this wonder. However it requires Chichen Itza to be really worthwhile, so it's a utility wonder, and lesser than those around at this point.
Sorry for that, if nobody makes a correction I will do next time.
NicTeos
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Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (14)
Taj Mahal (7)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Louvre (2)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
again louvre : besides the quite weak effect it also needs a tech, which hasn't that value than other
again FP : 10 % less unhappiness through population. That's plenty much over the whole time. Even if there is a 5% less unhappiness SP and one happy per 10 population, it's still better stand alone and all this effects do stack.
@ zyx, the error has been corrected through my voting
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Machu Picchu (13)
Notre Dame (18)
Sistine Chapel (13)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (14)
Taj Mahal (7)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Louvre (2)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
again louvre : besides the quite weak effect it also needs a tech, which hasn't that value than other
again FP : 10 % less unhappiness through population. That's plenty much over the whole time. Even if there is a 5% less unhappiness SP and one happy per 10 population, it's still better stand alone and all this effects do stack.
@ zyx, the error has been corrected through my voting
Steelyglint
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Sydney Opera House (14)
Taj Mahal (7)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13) -2
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (19) +1
Louvre (2)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Great Wall I find a bit useless. Against the AI I rarely/never fight a defencive war after I've had an opportunity to build it... Unless I rush to it, which I don't.
Hanging Gardens are absolutely bangin' if you have a very hilly/plainy start location. In grassland it's less useful unless you start making specialists really early for some reason. Ofc, excellent for OCC and Culture victories, worth rushing to.
I was gonna vote for Stonehenge despite its nerf... But someone murdered it. D:
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Taj Mahal (7)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (13) -2
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Hanging Gardens (19) +1
Louvre (2)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Great Wall I find a bit useless. Against the AI I rarely/never fight a defencive war after I've had an opportunity to build it... Unless I rush to it, which I don't.
Hanging Gardens are absolutely bangin' if you have a very hilly/plainy start location. In grassland it's less useful unless you start making specialists really early for some reason. Ofc, excellent for OCC and Culture victories, worth rushing to.
I was gonna vote for Stonehenge despite its nerf... But someone murdered it. D:
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BB-It really can add up to quite a lot of gold saved in some situations.
HG-See my last posts about it. I just don't see the need for extra food. Food is not scarce at that point in the game.
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BB-It really can add up to quite a lot of gold saved in some situations.
HG-See my last posts about it. I just don't see the need for extra food. Food is not scarce at that point in the game.
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I don't like the defensiv wonders, as they don't help you to archieve a victory, as any other wonder, as you gain nothing at all with them. As I have voted against GW already it is HC turn this time.
The Louvre is way better than all these defensiv war wonders alltogether so I want to give it a chance to stay longer in the process.
Btw: To increase the speed of the process, wouldn't be -3, +1 better? I mean how often do we want to read the same reasons? If a new Wonder Elimination Thread starts after a new patch, I'd say -3, +1 with 15 points at the beginning ( so 5 negative votes would be needed, if there is no positive one ). I don't want to abolish traditions, but a fair chance to finish that process, as I am really curious which wonder makes the race.
Although Angor Wat was the first to leave the contest - is it really that bad? - it spin off some thoughts about other players strategies: maybe they build cities tighter, as they can attack troups from both cities and obviously use the specialist's slots of the city improvements, so they would definitely need no faster cultural land expansion. I prefer huge cities though. Against AI it might not be much difference. Thanks to the thread, I learned a new strategy.
@Nicteos thanks for FP voting!!!
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I don't like the defensiv wonders, as they don't help you to archieve a victory, as any other wonder, as you gain nothing at all with them. As I have voted against GW already it is HC turn this time.
The Louvre is way better than all these defensiv war wonders alltogether so I want to give it a chance to stay longer in the process.
Btw: To increase the speed of the process, wouldn't be -3, +1 better? I mean how often do we want to read the same reasons? If a new Wonder Elimination Thread starts after a new patch, I'd say -3, +1 with 15 points at the beginning ( so 5 negative votes would be needed, if there is no positive one ). I don't want to abolish traditions, but a fair chance to finish that process, as I am really curious which wonder makes the race.
Although Angor Wat was the first to leave the contest - is it really that bad? - it spin off some thoughts about other players strategies: maybe they build cities tighter, as they can attack troups from both cities and obviously use the specialist's slots of the city improvements, so they would definitely need no faster cultural land expansion. I prefer huge cities though. Against AI it might not be much difference. Thanks to the thread, I learned a new strategy.
@Nicteos thanks for FP voting!!!
NicTeos
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no problem, zyx .
the points at begin and how many points should be substracted per vote have always been a mini-topic in the other elemination threads .... I think starting points of 12 are already quite low compared to 20. It's also funny, that some wonders, where even nothing or quite nothing has changed, are rated different.
.the points at begin and how many points should be substracted per vote have always been a mini-topic in the other elemination threads .... I think starting points of 12 are already quite low compared to 20. It's also funny, that some wonders, where even nothing or quite nothing has changed, are rated different.
civnoob13
King
Actually in the pre-patch one I started at 20, so this is already a massive reduction. I think -3 and +1 would make it too negative as a concept, you're 'hurting' far more than you're 'healing' and one guy's opinion can be very overrepresented. This is already sort of true for -2 +1
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The Louvre gives 2 great artists - only really useful for a culture victory, too late to make a difference, and even for a culture victory it is still quite weak.
The Great wall, and I keep on saying this, is just great for defence, and I go for peaceful games so defence is very important for me.
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Great Library (18)
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Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (17)
Louvre (1)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Chicken Pizza is a better wonder than pre-patch and can be worth a shot. AI likes to build it tho. Sistine Chapel? Only if i go for a cultural victory from turn 0(GOTM 16 for example). Acoustics can wait.
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Great Library (18)
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Chicken Pizza is a better wonder than pre-patch and can be worth a shot. AI likes to build it tho. Sistine Chapel? Only if i go for a cultural victory from turn 0(GOTM 16 for example). Acoustics can wait.
utberguy
Warlord
That would be citizenship under liberty. it can be the 2nd policy.
utberguy
Warlord
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Sydney Opera House (14)
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Forbidden Palace (12)
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Great Wall (14)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (17)
Louvre (1)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (18)
Louvre should have been removed 3 posts ago
GL is great in offsetting AI advantages in higher difficulties
Taj gives one golden age. meh. it's like popping a GP artist... louvre could have done the job x2
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Louvre should have been removed 3 posts ago
GL is great in offsetting AI advantages in higher difficulties
Taj gives one golden age. meh. it's like popping a GP artist... louvre could have done the job x2
utberguy, Louvre was still hanging on at one point, not zero. The rankings still include it:
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Taj Mahal (7)-1
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Great Wall (14)
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Hanging Gardens (17)
Louvre (1)
Oracle (15)
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Oracle (15)
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Taj Mahal (7)
Forbidden Palace (12)
Great Library (18)
Great Wall (12)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (17)
Louvre (1)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (10)
The great wall is terrible because defensives wars are extremely easy and it obsoletes. THe porcelain tower helps keep up with the AI's massive tech lead.
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Taj Mahal (7)
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Great Library (18)
Great Wall (12)
Hagia Sophia (26)
Hanging Gardens (17)
Louvre (1)
Oracle (15)
Porcelain Tower (10)
The great wall is terrible because defensives wars are extremely easy and it obsoletes. THe porcelain tower helps keep up with the AI's massive tech lead.
