Wonder speculation

[snipperrabbit!!]

@Triheptyl : ND, "Louvres", ET .... what are the other 3 ?

 

[anandus]

By the way, here you can see the terracotta army ingame, below Attila's Court:
http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/03/Civ5GandKScreen1.jpg

 

[bonafide11]

If you go by past Civ games, Versailles was only in the last one. Essentially, it was a second Forbidden Palace with the real one being a small/National wonder and the other being a world wonder. Since the FP is now a world wonder, there wasn't a need for both.

Also, fwiw, the Arc de Triomphe is in (National Epic, iirc) and so is the Eiffel Tower, so maybe there's less need for Versailles.

As someone else said, this logic is flawed. You're saying that since in Civ IV, Versailles and the Forbidden Palace served a similar purpose, and the Forbidden Palace is already in Civ V (with a different purpose than in Civ IV), Versailles is redundant? Versailles and the Forbidden Palace don't HAVE to serve the same purpose as each other just because they did in the previous game.

Versailles would be a good wonder to give a player some sort of city-state bonus.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I don't understand any of these arguements. You are saying it had a similar function to another wonder in the last game, which is also in this one, so there is no need for it. Umm... I'm fairly certain they changed a few of the wonders around in this installment of the series, I don't see why they can't again. And lowering population unhappiness doesn't really seem like something Versailles should do anyway.

No, my point was Versailles was, in the past, duplicative of the Forbidden Palace except one was a world wonder the other a national wonder. In Civ5, they only have a world wonder, so they went with the Forbidden Palace because it's more well-established in the civ series. Obviously, they don't have to have the same purpose, but they also can't include every wonder in the world anyway. Some things must be left out. France has a bunch as is.

 

[Civciv5]

Cool,the Terracotta Army includes the pyramid mausoleum of Qin Shi Huang.
I would also like the Potala Palace,Great Pyramid or Cholula(of something else Mesoamerican) and Borobudur.

 

[dexters]

I always feel the modern era is kind of barren of wonders. With the new extended game around the great war, the recent attention to L'Artiste /silent films, would Hollywood be a good middle industrial wonder?

It came fairly late in Civ4, but I think Hollywood as it was in its golden age seems a more appealing wonder to me.

 

[Civciv5]

The Burj Khalifa is a good example of a potential modern wonder.

 

[Nyanko]

- And Sagrada Famila, that some has already commented (and that, BTW, is still in construction, taking as much as a Civ wonder for that ) . It could be used as a link of religion to modernity, maybe allowing to keep some of the religion benefits that usually are obsolete by the ages advancement.

Its amazing another Civ hasn't completed that before Spain. Just to be historically accurate, it has to cost 100,000 hammers!
(otherwise I think it would be an excellent edition, paticularly the religious bonus you said

 

[dexters]

The Burj Khalifa is a good example of a potential modern wonder.

I can see if subbbing in for a 'skycraper' city improvement, but the title of world's tallest or most grandiose building is a moving target.

Wonders really need to clear certain hurdles to be considered as wonders. As I noted in another thread, the developers have gone out of their way to demote certain American achievements into national wonders just when as engineering marvels they are toe to toe with the monumental building of the ancients. I would consider Apollo Program more suitable as a new modern wonder than a tall building.

The real issue with modern wonders is monumental building is no longer in vogue and including a building just because of its size and grandeur is no really a good measure of what a modern wonder is. The internet, heck, even Twitter had more of an influence than any single tall building.

 

[cuc]

Indeed, and that's why I think Sid Meier had the right idea when he set the precedent of using scientific achievements as modern wonders in Civ1. In antiquity, a great building might be a fine display of human achievements, but this is no longer adequate for the modern world.

However, the format of Civ5's wonder splash display demands all Civ5 World Wonders to offer a scenic view. This has narrowed down the potential selections of Civ5 World Wonders to tangible structures.

 

[ehecatzin]

I think the game could use another mesoamerican wonder, I've always wanted to see the Templo Mayor in a Civ game, odd its never been in considering the Aztecs are always part of the main roster.

With the addition of faith I think it could fit quite well. After so many Civ games, Monty deserves his wonder...and a place to sacrifice all those captives.

Spoiler :

As a historical note, despite popular belief, after conquering Tenochtitlan Cortez refused to destroy the Templo Mayor (well...he destroyed the Shrines to the Aztec Gods on top) but wanted to keep it intact as a monument to Spanish conquest. However when his expedition to southern Mexico failed and the Spanish authorities believed him dead they decided to destroy the Templo Mayor to build the Mexico city cathedral, he was horrified when he returned. Imagine if the Temple still stood to this day.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

All these wonders are very plain and insignificant in my opinion. I think one we can say for certain will be in has to be the Westbury White Horse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbury_White_Horse

 

[Louis XXIV]

As a historical note, despite popular belief, after conquering Tenochtitlan Cortez refused to destroy the Templo Mayor (well...he destroyed the Shrines to the Aztec Gods on top) but wanted to keep it intact as a monument to Spanish conquest. However when his expedition to southern Mexico failed and the Spanish authorities believed him dead they decided to destroy the Templo Mayor to build the Mexico city cathedral, he was horrified when he returned. Imagine if the Temple still stood to this day.

Yeah, it would be really cool if the main parts of Tenochtitlan actually survived. It's amazing how much of preserving history depends on chance. If it wasn't for a belief that Christians were killed there, the Colosseum would probably have been destroyed too.

 

[vonbach]

If it wasn't for a belief that Christians were killed there, the Colosseum would probably have been destroyed too.

They were.

 

[Pargali]

Formula 1?

 

[SJSerio]

Though I kind of doubt it will be the case in this expansion, I still feel that they should change the standard building "colosseum" to "arena" and make The Colosseum a world wonder. It would be more accurate to what history was as it there was only one Colosseum (which wasn't even called that at the time it was in use). Plus it would provide a wonder that represents Rome.

As for what The Colosseum could do, I would say that it should be focused on Happiness. Either one lump sum (+10 happiness to Civ) or it could +X (2 for example) happiness per city... or something like that. The latter would align historically (in a way) as it would allow the owner of the city to expand more easily... especially through conquest.

It would also count as an arena for the city where it is built and maybe even a special promotion or ability (only available through it) for melee units trained in the city where it is built.

 

[IcyFrozen]

Megellan's Expedition, The East-Indian Trading Company, The Hudson's Bay Company would all make excellent Merchantile Wonders

 

[Draskar]

Though I kind of doubt it will be the case in this expansion, I still feel that they should change the standard building "colosseum" to "arena" and make The Colosseum a world wonder. It would be more accurate to what history was as it there was only one Colosseum (which wasn't even called that at the time it was in use). Plus it would provide a wonder that represents Rome.

As for what The Colosseum could do, I would say that it should be focused on Happiness. Either one lump sum (+10 happiness to Civ) or it could +X (2 for example) happiness per city... or something like that. The latter would align historically (in a way) as it would allow the owner of the city to expand more easily... especially through conquest.

It would also count as an arena for the city where it is built and maybe even a special promotion or ability (only available through it) for melee units trained in the city where it is built.

I Agree, and colosseum wonder must provide a free Arena like Great Library do with Library

 

[SammyKhalifa]

I'd like to see a Mir Space Station, or Trip to Mars, or something like that. The transition from Apollo program straight to making an Alpha Centauri ship has always seemed way too abrupt.

 

[Alk3Crimson]

I can see if subbbing in for a 'skycraper' city improvement, but the title of world's tallest or most grandiose building is a moving target.

Wonders really need to clear certain hurdles to be considered as wonders. As I noted in another thread, the developers have gone out of their way to demote certain American achievements into national wonders just when as engineering marvels they are toe to toe with the monumental building of the ancients. I would consider Apollo Program more suitable as a new modern wonder than a tall building.

The real issue with modern wonders is monumental building is no longer in vogue and including a building just because of its size and grandeur is no really a good measure of what a modern wonder is. The internet, heck, even Twitter had more of an influence than any single tall building.

I agree. Although the Burj Khalifa is impressive, Dubai basically bankrupted itself to build it, just on the hopes it would draw in business. It's no more special than any other skyscraper. It just happens to be the tallest one. Wonders should be something unique. There are wonders in-game now that I don't really agree with as well. Although I'm all for more American wonders, I don't think the Pentagon really deserves a spot. I'd much rather see it replaced with Mt. Rushmore (happiness/combat bonus in home territory?) or the return of Broadway (flat happiness/culture boost, additional boost for every Artist in all cities?).