Wonders of destruction

[philippe]

And here:again nice pics of German tanks.Gotta love those German tanks!

 

[philippe]

this baby is realtively similar to my last pic but i also wanted to show it.

 

[philippe]

And here another one!Im sure they could destroy tanks with ease!

 

[Eli]

philippe :

Tanks are like women. We dont want them old and black&white.

 

[Eli]

IceBlaze, CS :

Do you have some links that explain more about the armors?

 

[philippe]

Eli modern armour is also cool but ww2 tanks....It is just a momuement to one of the greatest wars ever!
note eli: (im not a supporter of nazi or nazi-regime i just find those German tanks SO cool)

 

[Flatlander Fox]

Since it's my job to know :

M1A2 Abrams is the best tank in the world on a battlefield. The Leopard is a close (very close) second.

Followed by the Merkava.

I won't get into a pissing contest over it though, considering that most likely ANY MBT equipped with depleted Uranium rounds that fires first will win.

I've been on ranges with several different types of tanks, and can tell you that most of them are very accurate. So accurate in fact, that crew error is the only reason that they miss most of the time (If they miss).

All the tanks have their merit, but I won't get into that... It's almost a toss up between the three, but the M1A2 edges the others out in certain areas...

 

[IceBlaZe]

Where does the M1A2 edge the Merkavah Mk. 4?
I don't think you know much about Merkavah anyway, none of us do, It's top secret Information.
Even my dad who is a Major (reserves) in the IAF doesn't have clearence for that.

My opinion is that the Merkavah 4 and even 3 Baz top the M1A2 in almost every category.
Because the Merkavah has it's engine in the front, the Crew most likely will survive the hit of any tank, and even sometimes have the option of a second strike after hit, the M1A2 doesn't have that luxury.

Also, 'rumours' (more like un-verified facts) say that the Merkavah Mk.3 and 4 have guided missiles that can even hit a tank if it is behind a hill, 5KM away.

The LAHAT missile that is launched from the Merkavah MBT has the range of 5KM and it simulates a helicopter missile - it hits the tank from above leaving it with no chance of survival.

The LAHAT missile is, supposedly, also able to hit helicopters. I think it is laser guided and not wire guided.

Also, the Merkavah 4 (in contrast to the M1A2) has completely modular armor - meaning you can change any part of it's armor to fit the certain battle it is in.

The Merkavah Mk. 3 was lacking in preformance with only a 1,200hp engine, but the Merkavah Mk. 4 is equipped with the General Motors 1,500 hp engine, giving it preformance close to the one of the small leclerc.

I also don't think It's the "First fire wins" case with the Merkavah tank. As I said, it's armor is so strong it survived against the Newest (at the time) russian Anti-Tank weaponry in 1982 and in 1997. During all of Peace-of-the-galilee operation I think the Merkavah was only destroyed once or twice.

Escuse me for being a persistant *******, but I really don't see how the Abrams or the Leopard II top the Merkavah.
Merkavah has same preformance, modular armour, better protection, more precise weapons (the IMI LAHAT is unique, AFAIK) and more space for infantry. Not to mention the fact that because the Merkavah has the engine upfront, not only it gives it better protection and the ability of second strike, but also the chances of the crew of the Merkavah to survive are much higher than any other tank for 2 reasons:

1. The big engine and armor around it suffer most of the strike
2. Because there is no engine in the back, the crew can easily escape a ruined or defused merkavah through the passage in the back.

Also, may I remind you, that it is most likely that the Merkavah is topped with the best radar and fire control systems, It's a known specialty of Israel. RAFAEL, Elbit and El-Op are world leaders in their electronic warefare Abilities, part of the reason why Israel is considered second only to the Silicon Valley in Technology by Guy Kawasaki, a Sil-Val expert and the owner of Garage.com .

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Make way for "Challenger II" a British world-class heavy tank!

Factoids!

 

[philippe]

Nice info iceblaze. I wanna have one!

 

[Flatlander Fox]

You don't HAVE to believe me...

Just trying to enlighten you...

And your father probably has a clearance... But the reason that you don't know about it is because it's SECRET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been looking through all my pics... I have to post one of my faves later...

 

[philippe]

Here i have a pic of a Israeli tank! the "sabra"!

 

[AVN]

I believe Israel wins this duel vs America by means of a knock-out

I think the quality of Israels weaponry is heavily underestimated by a lot of people and countries.

 

[philippe]

and here a loepard2!

 

[philippe]

And here the "arjun"! it has several pics but i chosed the best one!

 

[philippe]

And here the Russian t-90S!

 

[IceBlaZe]

Imagine the Leopard 2 hit......
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Now imagine THIS hit:

The almost inevitable Merkavah Mk. 3.

This is the 4th generation Merkavah Mk. 3, latest model before Mk. 4 was out:

Notice the modular and strong armour on the Turret, almost makes it look invincible.

Here is some info from Army-Technology.com

MERKAVA MAIN BATTLE TANK, ISRAEL
The Merkava is the main battle tank in service with the Israeli armed forces. The first Merkava Mk 1 tanks were supplied to the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) in 1979. Production of the Mk 1 continued up to 1983, when the IDF began to receive the Merkava Mk 2. The Mk 2 featured improved mobility, fire control system and armour, as well as the inclusion of an internal 60 mm mortar. Production of Mk 2 continued until 1990 when it was superseded by the Mk 3.

The Merkava Mk 3 Baz entered service with the IDF at the beginning of 1990. The main features of the Merkava Mk 3 are a new suspension system, a 1200 horsepower engine and new transmission, a higher power main gun, and particularly new armour protection. Ballistic protection is provided by special armour modules, which are attached to the tank by bolts. These are easily replaced whenever better ballistic technology is introduced. About 1200 Merkava Mk 2 and Mk 3 tanks are in service with the IDF.

MERKAVA MK 4

The Merkava Mk 4 has begun series production for the IDF and includes a new compressed gas recoil system and thermal sleeve for the 120mm gun, to enable the firing of enhanced kinetic energy ammunition, and new ballistic armour. Both the gun and armour are being supplied by Israeli Military Industries. A new fire control system has been developed by El-Op. The MTU 1200hp V-12 diesel engine is being assembled under license by General Dynamics Land Systems of the USA. It is anticipated that up to 400 Mk 4 tanks are to be built.

ARMAMENT

The main gun is a 120 mm smoothbore gun developed by Israeli Military Industries. The gun has a Vidco Industries thermal sleeve, which increases accuracy by preventing distortion through the effects of weather, heat and shock. The tank carries an ammunition store of 50 rounds of 120 mm ammunition. The tank is also equipped with three 7.62 mm machine guns, two roof mounted and one co-axial with the main gun. The tank carries a store of 10,000 rounds of 7.62 mm ammunition.

The 60 millimetre mortar system, which is a large calibre gun with a low muzzle velocity, is capable of firing high explosive rounds and illumination bombs. The crew can load, aim and fire the mortar system from within the turret. The mortar system is developed by Soltam Limited of Haifa.

TURRET

Hydraulic systems can be susceptible to impact damage and cause a fire hazard so the electro-hydraulic turret control system installed on the Mark -1 and -2 has been replaced by a totally electrical and electronic system in the Merkava Mark-3 for increased survivability and safety. Either the gunner or the commander operates the turret control system.

The crew is protected against nuclear, chemical and biological warfare by a high positive pressure system with air conditioning and filtration.

PROTECTION

The tank's is fitted with the Amcoram LWS-2 laser warning system, with threat warning display installed at the commander's station.

The turret and the hull are fitted with a modular armour system which can be changed in the field. The forward section of the turret is fitted with additional blocks of armour which provide extra protection against the latest generation of top attack anti-tank missiles.

A skirt of chains with ball weights is installed on the lower half of the turret bustle. Incoming HEAT projectiles detonate on impact with the chains instead of penetrating the turret ring. Sprung armour side skirts protect the wheels and tracks.

The welding and machining technology for the large armour body sections of the Merkava was developed by the Israeli Army Tank Depot, and the casting of ballistic steel materials was developed by Urdan Industries Ltd at Natanya.

FIRE CONTROL AND OBSERVATION

The Knight Mk III advanced fire control system, from Electro Optics Industries (EL-OP) and Elbit Ltd, integrates with the turret control and gun control units and provides the tank with the ability to engage moving targets while on the move.

The gunner's station is equipped with a thermal sight and day television channel, which are stabilised in two axes. A laser rangefinder and target tracker are integrated into the gunner's sight. The Elbit automatic target tracker is able to automatically aim at the target using the image data presented on the day or night sights.

The commander's station is fitted with a sight which can be optically relayed to the gunner's sight. The Merkava 3 is being fitted with a new day/night stabilised panoramic sight, giving hunter/killer capacity.

PROPULSION

The Merkava Mk 3 is equipped with an AVDS-1790-9AR diesel supplied by Teledyne Continental Motors. The air-cooled diesel provides 1,200 horsepower, compared to the 900 horsepower engine installed in the Mk 1 and Mk 2. The tank's transmission system was developed by the Ashot Ashkelon Industries Limited subsidiary of Israel Military Industries. The Merkava Mark-3 carries 1,400 litres of fuel

I believe that Army-Technology are wrong about the Engine of the Merkava Mk. 4, it is 1,500hp and not 1,200hp.

Here is some info from Defense-update.com:

Merkava Mk4

The Mk-4 is equipped with a 120 mm gun but the new gun is designed to sustain higher pressures, generating higher muzzle velocities which are an essential feature for advanced kinetic energy ammunition. The loader can load the gun from a fully automated, fire-proof magazine which accommodates up to 10 ready rounds and deliver up to four types of ammunition types to the loader. Merkava Mk-4 is believed to be protected by a new type of hybrid armour, which can be conformed from modular elements, to match specific threats. The Mk-4 retains the hull design of the previous Merkava versions.



Unique among the main battle tanks of the world, the Merkava design features a front-mounted power pack, which presents a heavy mass in the forward area, which protects the crew from enemy attack. This configuration also cleared room at the rear section for a safe exit and enough space to carry a few fully armed infantrymen, in addition to the crew. The rear access hatch allows for the quick and safe exit of injured crewmen or pickup of wounded soldiers for evacuation.

The engine pack is easily replaced. The tank is powered by the new General Dynamics GD833 1,500-horsepower direct injection, liquid cooled diesel engine, (co-produced in the USA by General Dynamics and MTU). This type is also powering the French Leclerc MBT. This powerful weighs 1.9 tons net, and 4.9 tons with its entire power-pack. This powerful engine affords the tank greater mobility than the previous versions, which had the 900 and 1,200-horsepower engines. The tank utilizes an electric turret and gun control system, designed by Elbit Systems, which comprises two electrical brushless motors, produced by Bental Industries.

The tank will also included modern optronics, capable of detecting and reporting on enemy targets, as part of an integrated battlefield concept, combining tanks, anti-tank and combat helicopters in a combined task force. Merkava 4 is expected to be equipped with an active full perimeter defense, to counter top attacks and flat trajectory threats. The Mk-4 like its predecessors, is also equipped with a central filtering system designed by Kinetics, which maintains overpressure at the fighting compartment, for protection against nuclear-biological-chemical threats. The system also provides air conditioning for individual crew members (micro-cooling) and for the entire cabin, as well as auxiliary power when positioned at “silent watch” for battery recharging.

The tank is believed to be equipped with the new VDS-60 digital data recorder produced by Vectop, to record and restore sight target images and observation data collected during the mission.

 

[philippe]

hey Iceblaze i read this in it:The crew is protected against nuclear, chemical and biological warfare by a high positive pressure system with air conditioning and filtration.
So this tank can survive the impact of a nuke!
Of course not the impact itself but in a radius of 5 km it would survive!Man that has to be a AWESOME tank!I think iraq will think twice before attacking israel after they see the POWER of this tank!

 

[IceBlaZe]

Iraq won't stand a chance against Israel anyway.
The MORAN unit will destroy any incoming Iraqi tank divisions, the Arrow2 will block most if not all long-range ballistic missiles, and the IAF has a sure win in the air and securing the ground.
Not to mention the IDF has nuclear capabilities from the ground and, an American Intelligence Source was quoted recently saying Israel succefuly tested a Tomahawk equivalent from one of It's Dolphin (German made) submarines that can hold a nuclear warhead, so that gives Israel the ability to go nuclear even if it's on-ground nuclear ability is destroyed.

 

[Mikoyan]

The Chiorny Oriol, next generation Russian Heavy Battle Tank