Mr. Civtastic said:
Ok, I worded that bad. I think Organized ( a warring trait) isnt a good fit with Asoka because his other trait isnt warring, along with no warring UU. Sure, I could switch my Civics around, but I can do that anyways with anyone. And of course Im not warring at all with the fast worker. I would prefer Washington to Asoka if Im going to war.
Part of it is my belief that Organized isnt that great unless you have a big empire and youre capturing cities. Depending on the situation, i like to whip out culture first in a captured city, then walls if im pre-gunpowder, then a courthose. Organized saves me a bunch of time and lets me whip other buildings instead. And of course a huge empire will cost a lot in maintainence.
Now, with a peaceful or moderately-sized empire, I dont feel like there is much benefit with Organized. You can build courthouses at leisure with your first 5-6 cities...most maintaince costs are pretty low. If your civ is bigger then that, just whip it out. Its not that big of a deal.
PaganPaulWhisky said:
You are not making sense here. You have obviously pointed out the solution yourself. You think Asoka is bad because you flatly refuse to take advantage of his trait before the game has even started. Going for a peaceful empire of 5 or 6 cities is a terrible strategy with Asoka. Maybe you should try going to war or expanding to larger size. I think you will find he is quite good once you get to this stage. It's not like you need to roll over everybody and go crazy with war. Just wipe out a neighbor or take 5 or 6 cities. You hardly need a UU to do this.
OK. So I was about to say the opposite.
Asoka certainly isn't one of the most powerful leaders, but he's not a slouch, either.
Mr. Civtastic, I disagree that Organized is a warring trait. It's a balanced trait. The 1/2 price Courthouses are handy if expanding militarily. But the 1/2 Civic cost makes large cities cheaper, and that can then be leveraged for faster research (a builder strategy), or for peaceful expansion oversees (a peaceful expansion strategy), or for military conquest.
The best overlay strategy with Asoka is to maintain peace while expanding out and up as much as possible, using the Fast Worker to speed improvements, the Organized trait to keep the civic cost of large cities low, and the Spiritual trait to jump to civics for growth.
When ready/needed, use the Spiritual trait to jump civics to a wartime footing, and then beat some heads, using the Organized trait for cheap courthouses getting more military expansion for the same cost.
Then get the peace treaty, use Spiritual to swap civics back for growth, sweep in the Fast Workers to re-improve the new land, grow the new cities up (using Organized to keep the civics cost low).
Rinse and repeat.
BTW, that organized trait and its low civic cost really come to light with somebody like Mehmud (Ottoman). He's got Expansion (+3 health) and the Hamman UB (+2 happiness Classical Era). The Organized trait let's him have a cheaper empire than others, even though each city has 2 more pop. He's a killer for the build, conquer, build, conquer, build, conquer, cycle.
