Would we please have GREAT BARBARIANS in Civ V?

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Great Barbarians (Capturing them results in great rewards for your civilization) :

Historical barbarians:

Atilla the Hun
Bleda the Hun
Rugila the Hun
Conan the Cimmerian
Genseric the Vandal
Alaric the Visigoth
Clovis the Frank
Chlothar the Frank
Theodoric the Ostrogoth
Alboin the Lombard
Kubrat the Bulgar
Ariovistus the Suebi
Grutte Pier the Frisian
Redbeard Barbarossa
Black Bart Roberts
Blackbeard Teach
Jack Sparrow
James Hook
Long John Silver
(Many more historical uncivilized leaders)

Modern barbarians:

Adolf Hitler (Germany effectively turned red during Hitler's reign)
Benito Mussolini (So did Italy during Benito's)
Kim Il-sung
Ho Chi Minh
Augusto Pinochet
Kim Jong-il
Saddam Hussein
Pol Pot
(Leader of the 1993 Mogadishu uprising)
Enver Hoxha
Nicolae Ceausescu
Slobodan Milosevic
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
Moqtada al-Sadr
Mullah Omar
(Antagonist of Sudan's Darfur crisis)
(Leader of the LRA band of rebels in central Africa)
Osama bin Laden

Another thread started to agree with Great Barbarians by the second page: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=376865&page=2 That's why I made its own suggestion thread.

Normal barbarian village-huts without a well-known leader ought to be easy to dispatch, but any horde led by any of the above ought to be a more formidable challenge. Then once the leaders are caught, the whole civilization gets a morale boost, along with other nice rewards.
 
Adolf Hitler (Germany effectively turned red during Hitler's reign)
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Makes more sense to have him as the German leader than barbarian.

Benito Mussolini (So did Italy during Benito's)
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Same.

Kim Il-sung
Ho Chi Minh
Augusto Pinochet
Kim Jong-il
Saddam Hussein
Pol Pot
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Same
(Leader of the 1993 Mogadishu uprising)
Enver Hoxha
Nicolae Ceausescu
Slobodan Milosevic
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I don't know these people so I can't comment.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
Moqtada al-Sadr
Mullah Omar
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Maybe.
(Antagonist of Sudan's Darfur crisis)
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Maybe. Leaning to no.
(Leader of the LRA band of rebels in central Africa)
Osama bin Laden
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Maybe.
 
Now who would be a Great Barbarian just as much as Justin Bieber would be a Great Musician/Arist?

I just need some jokes to throw on the thread so that I can give you all a lot to talk about. It worked in other other Great People thread.
 
I'll voice my support for this idea on this new thread as well. Though I don't really like the idea of having fictional character's as any of the Great Barbarians, as I don't remember there being fictional GP, GA, GM's, etc in Civ4, and liked it that way. (Can someone confirm or disprove me on this?)

Some of the naval GB's in your list, like Jack Sparrow, Long John Silver would drive me crazy if they were in the game (Especially Sparrow). Edward Teach, Aruj Barbarossa (a great Barbary Corsair), Bart Roberts are all great choices for pirates. Edward Low for his shear cruelty to prisoners maybe.

I like the idea that a civilization who defeats one of the GB led barbarians receives some type of extra prize, though I haven't started to think of any good ones yet. Of course Great Barbarians will give the biggest advantage to the Ottomans and Germans, who would have the chance to capture one. This might help bolster their (so far believed to be) weak UA's.

Each unique barbarian could have a special ability on capture, but I think that would be to involved, especially if only two of the civs could possibly obtain them. Likely each great barbarian land unit, and likewise, sea unit would share the same ability upon capture.

Here's a few possibilities that came to mind quickly anyways.
Edward Teach - as awe-inspiring leader - maybe this unit would earn xp faster
Bart Roberts - one of the most successful (in monetary terms) pirates could give gold when the ottomans use him while fighting.
Ed Low - extra strength to represent his murderous ways.
Aruj Barbossa - conquered and held important land areas - his captured unit would do extra damage bombarding land units.

Also it is notable that it might be tough for Civ to advertise some of these historic leaders as "barbarians". I think we should try to stick to the idea of how a GB could be implemented instead of whom was actually a "barbarian".
 
egaonogenki said:
Great Barbarians (Capturing them results in great rewards for your civilization) :

Historical barbarians:
Clovis the Frank
Chlothar the Frank
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I'm pretty sure they would be considered French leaders.

Modern barbarians:

Adolf Hitler (Germany effectively turned red during Hitler's reign)
Benito Mussolini (So did Italy during Benito's)
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Turned red? Is that some non-common expression? Because I would've thought "turning red" to refer to to Communism or Socialism, but that can't be right.
 
Hawkwood said:
I'm pretty sure they would be considered French leaders.


Turned red? Is that some non-common expression? Because I would've thought "turning red" to refer to to Communism or Socialism, but that can't be right.
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In the Civ franchise (At least in Civ II, anyway,) when a city turned red, that means it fell to the Barbarians.

(What color will Barbarian cities be in Civ V? I'll have to edit the prior posts to mention that color instead.)
 
Redbeard Barbarossa: he was an emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, not a barbarian - look in a european history book (or in the wikipedia)

CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow: is neither historical nor a barbarian - I mean take a look at his hat. A hat can hardly be more civilized than this one!
 
egaonogenki said:
In the Civ franchise (At least in Civ II, anyway,) when a city turned red, that means it fell to the Barbarians.

(What color will Barbarian cities be in Civ V? I'll have to edit the prior posts to mention that color instead.)
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That explains it. My first Civ game was III.

JDexter said:
Redbeard Barbarossa: he was an emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, not a barbarian - look in a european history book (or in the wikipedia)
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There were more than one of them.
 
Well, we have one leaderhead for the HRE/Germany, and two Turkish privateers/Great Generals. Where's the "barbarian"?
 
You seemed to have confused barbarian with mass-murderer or totalitarian dictator (especially with modern barbarians). People like Hitler and Mussolini relied on civilization to get into and keep in power and the Holocaust for example was a very organised means of killing millions. It isn't a case of civilization = good and barbarism = bad but rather civilization = ordered human society and barbarism = anarchic and chaotic. Civilization is far more effective at mass murder due to the organisation and resources that can be channelled to it. It is not civilization that is good, but how it is used by those who control it.

Regarding game mechanics, I think it would be interesting if such barbarian leaders (or barbarians in general) could be bribed not to attack you for so many turns which means that they could be used as an indirect weapon against other Civs (sadly almost certainly will not be in Civ5 though there is hope for it in an expansion).
 
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