warmwaffles
Programmer
Does anyone know the production of what tanks, aircraft, ships, etc of all the axis and allies? (in numbers e.g. 10,000 P-51's)
WWII production?
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joycem10
Deity
Louis Snyder's "The War" lists American Aircraft production at just under 60K/year for 1940-1945. Not sure how those numbers break down.
Tank Overhaul on the Discovery Channel stated that around 9k Pzkw IV, 6k German Panthers, 1200 Tigers and 500 King Tigers were built by Germany. No idea on the numbers of the other variants.
warmwaffles
Programmer
and of course the one place I didn't look...wikipedia
Leifmk
Deity
Well, yeah. Especially given that the USA alone had a higher GDP than all the Axis countries in total, and due to its geographical location was relatively safe from direct attacks so that there was essentially nothing the Axis could do to hurt it or impair its warmaking ability. After Pearl Harbor there wasn't really any room to doubt the eventual outcome. (I've also seen some analyses indicating that even if the Japanese had somehow managed to completely annihilate the US Pacific Fleet at the beginning, the higher rate of shipbuilding enabled by US industry would mean that the difference would be made up in a matter of months, essentially resulting in the Japanese collapse being delayed only by that much -- or rather, resulting in them having a bit more territory left by the time the nukes were ready to use.)
The fact that the Allies had more competent strategic leadership which wasn't in the habit of trying to eat anything bigger than their own heads was also a contributing factor, but hardly necessary.
warmwaffles
Programmer
But the funny thing is, is that the Germans though outnumbered had produced quality machines. In fact the Germans have essentially mastered the art of killing efficiently (not talking about the Holocaust). WWI they invented the machine gun which is the sole reason why we turned to trench warfare.
I find it interesting that the Germans were able to make the war last as long as they had even when the numbers stacked against them and had they had better leadership I believe that the war would have lasted substantially longer
I find it interesting that the Germans were able to make the war last as long as they had even when the numbers stacked against them and had they had better leadership I believe that the war would have lasted substantially longer
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Germans didn't invent the machine gun or even radically changed it during WWI.
Ace
Emperor
Quite right, but, the Germans, more than any other Military, understood the value of the machine gun and used it effectively.
searcheagle
Emperor
A large factor could be that every military, except for the Germans and Japanese, had slashed their military after WWI?
warmwaffles
Programmer
Oh my I thought Hiram Maxim was a German...looks like he was American Born, my bad.
No every military except for the Japanese cut there forces after WWI and the Germans did to...until the Nazi party started finding ways around the Treaty of Versailles, the pocket battleships is a good example.
But the whole worlds opinion except the crazy Japanese was that WWI was "the war to end all wars". Now why did that meaning come to being? Was it to get the isolationists to finally pitch in and say "ya we want to end all wars"?
No every military except for the Japanese cut there forces after WWI and the Germans did to...until the Nazi party started finding ways around the Treaty of Versailles, the pocket battleships is a good example.
But the whole worlds opinion except the crazy Japanese was that WWI was "the war to end all wars". Now why did that meaning come to being? Was it to get the isolationists to finally pitch in and say "ya we want to end all wars"?
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Drivebymaster, the Germans started to circumvent the Versailles dictate as soon it was signed. That was nothing the Nazis introduced.
Adler
Adler
warmwaffles
Programmer
yes but they couldn't because of the economy was in ruin, though as my history teacher puts it, "Germany used the Treaty of Versailles to wipe their butts with"
When did the Germans begin to rebuild its military roughly, and I mean like refit and begin producing tanks planes and what not
When did the Germans begin to rebuild its military roughly, and I mean like refit and begin producing tanks planes and what not
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
Yes, but the first steps were done in the Reichswehr before 1933. There in secret the new plans of tanks and uboats and some planes were developed and even partly built. So for example Germany bought 50 Fokker D.XIII fighters in 1923. The Reichswehr secretly had hidden some older Fokker D.VII fighter before. Also they were planning and building other planes. (Indeed you can see some of these planes in my AoI II scenario for Civ III Conquest or higher). BTW nice saying about the "treaty" 
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However even before 1933 the German Reichswehr became more and more ambitious. So they indeed ordered new Uboats, destroyer, tanks and planes. That was only secret on the paper. The Entente powers knew about this but tolerated it. And with Hitler this only got faster. But at that date already the armament restrictions of the "treaty" were nothing worth any more.
Adler
. However even before 1933 the German Reichswehr became more and more ambitious. So they indeed ordered new Uboats, destroyer, tanks and planes. That was only secret on the paper. The Entente powers knew about this but tolerated it. And with Hitler this only got faster. But at that date already the armament restrictions of the "treaty" were nothing worth any more.
Adler
Case
The horror, the horror
That's not correct - while the restrictions were being stretched a little bit, the German military was still in general compliance with them at the time the Nazis gained power, and I don't believe that the Wiemeir-era government intended a significant military expansion. Very small numbers of tanks, aircraft and small submarines for experimentation and training purposes are nothing compared to the massive military build-up for offensive purposes the Nazis began shortly after they took over, so it's not at all correct to state that the Nazis policies were merely a continuation of existing policies as you seem to be implying.
warmwaffles
Programmer
I thought the Entente powers wanted Hitler to stop but had nothing to back up their word so it's like saying "Naughty naughty...now put those new toys away"
Adler17
Prussian Feldmarschall
I don't say the Weimar government would have acted so fast and open, however at least in 1930 the plans of being more offensive in this way were given. As the other powers did not came up with their duty of disbanding military capacities there were good arguments for the German government, too. So there were for example plans made for a new destroyer type, a type forbidden by the Versailles dictate. Thus peu à peu the Weimar government would have cancelled Versailles. Not in the speed this Austrian made it, but steadily.
Adler
Adler
Case
The horror, the horror
The Treaty of Versailles wasn't some kind of deal where the Allies agreed to reduce their military in exchange for the Germans reducing theirs: it was a harsh peace treaty imposed on a defeated nation. As such, the Allies were under no obligation to reduce their forces and did not have any 'duty' to do so. France and Britain did reduce their military in line with other treaties, however (eg, the Washington Teaty which led to dramatic naval reductions and the various treaties the Leage of Nations attempted to facilitate) and their economic problems in the 1920s and early 1930s ensured that they had little offensive power.
Verbose
Deity
But his machinegun was commercialised by the London based, Swedish founded and owned "Nordenfelt's Guns and Ammunitions Company Ltd", purveyors of automatic fire to the British army (among others).
Its line of products included the 1868 Palmcrantz (inventor Swedish engineer H. Palmkrantz) machinegun as well as inventor/industrialist Thorsten Wilhelm Nordenfelt's own rapid fire naval guns. The company was bought, and production taken over, in 1897 by "Vickers, Sons and Company Ltd." to form "Vickers, Sons and Maxim Ltd."
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