XX Century Mod

[jayhawk97]

Ive got pink leaders and red dot units in the map version.
The normal version workd great.

Also, some more comments on the map:
* I think all civs should know all other civs and have the entire planet mapped out from the start.
* More powerful civs in real life (Like America and the USSR) should have more cities, land, and population. However, for smaller civs, what land they have should be more fertile... Basically, each of these civs we're using are pretty well known and were fairly strong at some point in the XX Century. We just have to figure out what each civ's strengths and weaknesses are in real life and illustrate that in the game.
* Australia absolutely needs to be in the game, we can't just leave Oceania empty.
* South America and Africa have too few civs. You have represented the stongest nations from these continents, but we need something like Non-Playable civs just to fill up space and divert expansion.
* Europe is too crowded. I have seen maps that increase the size of Europe and decrease the size of everywhere else. This is exactly what we need, it would allow for better play as a European civ and almost correct the problem of SA and AFR being too open.
* Get rid of the goody huts.

Sorry for being nitpicky, the only real problems are the pink leaders and red dots... and I still had a lot of fun playing the map.
Its a very good mod, thanks for all your hard work, AndyTerry. But this has the potential to become a great mod... it could become one of the best ever with a few changes.

 

[Sharpe111]

I agree with the post above me.

I played on monarch, and the civs that dominated were china, russia, myself (japan, since i colonized all of oceanea), and even India and Canada. Meanwhle, Europe, the powerhouse of the early 20th century, was floundering.

I would suggest:

(1) Making europe bigger in relation to everything else
(2) Giving european nations more technology to begin with, or pushing back the tech level of other nations.
(3) my biggest nitpick: PLEASE PLEASE give european civs their colonies! Hong kong should be british, not chinese. It only became chinese in 1998. The empty space in SE asia (vietnam) should be french. This would (a) help out europe and (b) make things more realistic.
(4) Put in unplayable civs or barbarians with strong garrisons to fill up empty space in central asia, south america, and SE pacific.

 

[Der_Meister]

Yes, that's what i've been saying. Andy did you read my posts?

I don't have that pink leaders problem

 

[Schumiker]

I agree with the post above me.

I played on monarch, and the civs that dominated were china, russia, myself (japan, since i colonized all of oceanea), and even India and Canada. Meanwhle, Europe, the powerhouse of the early 20th century, was floundering.

I would suggest:

(1) Making europe bigger in relation to everything else
(2) Giving european nations more technology to begin with, or pushing back the tech level of other nations.
(3) my biggest nitpick: PLEASE PLEASE give european civs their colonies! Hong kong should be british, not chinese. It only became chinese in 1998. The empty space in SE asia (vietnam) should be french. This would (a) help out europe and (b) make things more realistic.
(4) Put in unplayable civs or barbarians with strong garrisons to fill up empty space in central asia, south america, and SE pacific.

In this case, this is the situation of Africa in 1914.

I'm sorry the map is in french.
Half of Africa was governed by french and the other by english except Maroc and Egypt which were only protectorates. I think it one of the solutions to fill the map of Africa.

 

[jayhawk97]

Schumiker
That's a good graphic.
A good soulution for Europe's disadvantage and Africa's unrealisic wideopeness would be to put some European colonies in Africa.

 

[Nitro_2985]

Excellent idea.

Though, it really only helps Spain, Britian, and France. Germany didn't have much in the way of colonies and neither did Italy.

 

[Mrdie]

FYI: On balancing out the great people a bit (So half of them aren't born in 1901) you simply need to decrease culture in all Civ citys.

 

[Der_Meister]

I don't know what you think, but in my opinion i think the best idea would be to give every civilization the possibility to have a "colono" in the places of africa where every country had their colonies. And depending how you develop you will control a major part of africa. It would be nice to place resistance to conquer territory in africa as well.

 

[Schumiker]

I don't know what you think, but in my opinion i think the best idea would be to give every civilization the possibility to have a "colono" in the places of africa where every country had their colonies. And depending how you develop you will control a major part of africa. It would be nice to place resistance to conquer territory in africa as well.

If i understand what you mean, we can put a Spanish city in Maroc, a French city in Algerie or Senegal, an Italian city in Lybie or Somalie, an english city in Nigeria or Kenya and a german city in Cameroun. I think it can be a good idea with possibility of expension for every European civilizations, Egypt and South Africa.

 

[Mrdie]

If i understand what you mean, we can put a Spain city in Maroc, a French city in Algerie or Senegal, a Italian city in Lybie or Somalie, an english city in Nigeria or Kenya and a german city in Cameroun. I think it can be a good idea with possibility of expension for every European civilizations, Egypt and South Africa.

I'd just have everything as it was in 1901. But give bonuses somehow to the US and Soviet Union (So they have a higher chance of being stronger than the rest down the road, leading to a, of course, Cold War type thing)

 

[Schumiker]

I'd just have everything as it was in 1901. But give bonuses somehow to the US and Soviet Union (So they have a higher chance of being stronger than the rest down the road, leading to a, of course, Cold War type thing)

In fact, if you want everything as it was in 1901, US and Soviet Union were not the strongest nation in the World. Just look at the possessions of England at this time and you will understand what i mean. It's the World Wars that made US and Soviet Union the two real powers of the world. During this time europe was in rebuilding. For me, in 1900 the most powerful nations were Germany, England, France, USA and Soviet Union (but 3/4 of population was farmer). I think in the scenario, making tension between France and Germany is necessary (we already had a war in 1870).

 

[jayhawk97]

Schumiker
You're certainly right.... but I think the US and Soviets should have a couple more cities each. Even if they weren't the strongest, they still controlled a lot more land than most everyone else. Maybe also give more cities to China and Canada. Anyone agree???

Der_Mister
When you said "colono", did you do that on purpose?
If not, I'm guessing you were trying to say the singular of colonies, which is colony.
Sorry for being nitpicky... I just wanted to point that out.

 

[AndyTerry]

Practically all suggestions are great
Only thing I don't wanna do is to increase the size of Europe, cause it'd be unrealistic.
Great idea is about colonies, it would defenitely add more balance to game.
About techs too (bonuses to mighty countries), it can add more realism.

I'd just have everything as it was in 1901.

Hmm, there wasn't USSR in 1901, also there wasn't independent Egypt and RSA in Africa. But situation with colonies didn't change a lot (until decolonization), so in 1940 (e.g.) it was practically the same as in 1901
One thing is a pity - decolonization is not possible in a game It'd be great if Senegal, for example, once a time declared independence and became a separate civ

 

[AndyTerry]

Something more... Those who have troubles with pink leaders and "red ball" units:
1. Open both folders of mod ('XX Century 2 - Without Map' and 'Map'). I will call it 'WM' and 'M'
2. In both catalogs find folder: Assets\XML\art
3. Replace this folder in M with same in WM. Don't make a mistake - copy Assets\XML\Art from WM to M!
4. Do the same with folder Assets\Art (copy from WM to M)

And you'll not have those bugs.
I don't know now how to make it automatical, but I'll try to invent.

 

[Schumiker]

Schumiker
You're certainly right.... but I think the US and Soviets should have a couple more cities each. Even if they weren't the strongest, they still controlled a lot more land than most everyone else. Maybe also give more cities to China and Canada. Anyone agree???

I agree with you, Soviet Union must have all the Russian territory (even with cities of population of 2 and no food to grow) like Canada, China, and USA (in my game, Canada made the first city in Texas). The problem is the balance of the game. I saw another scenario that make IA have differents difficulties (Noble, Prince, etc...) for the differents nations. It's maybe an idea.

AndyTerry
Your solution works fine, thanks. This mod is really great!
Just a question : why 17 civilizations on 18 possible?

 

[ibcoltscrew]

Schumiker
Maybe also give more cities to China and Canada. Anyone agree???

I agree for more city for Canada and China. Canada need Vancouver or Regina on the West Coast America (just to make sure the US don't conquer this Area)
Canada is the second biggest country... China is the most populous... that's why i think they need more city. Also, Russia should be bigger... after all, Russia is the biggest country on earth...

 

[AndyTerry]

after all, Russia is the biggest country on earth...

It's so B)

why 17 civilizations on 18 possible?

Hmmm... Good question

 

[AndyTerry]

Today wanna try it myself (on a custom map).
I have never played my mod a full game Only tests.

New version of map is coming in few days.

 

[Sharpe111]

(1) If Russia and Canada and China are going to have more cities, then the terrain in central asia and in the canadian prairies should be less fertile. In the games I played, cities in those areas rivalled major european cities in size and production capabilities. This didn't make sense to me, since cental Asia is not exactly an industrial powerhouse.

(2) I would highly recommend giving europe colonies not only in Africa, but around the world. 1900-1925 was still an age of imperialism. South East Asia should have a european presence. So should India, and the Carribean. The middle east as well.

(3) As mentioned above, use the 18th civ slot for Australia; all that space in the SE pacific needs to be filled up.

(4) And what of putting in some barbarian cities in places where there were countries? South America, Central Asia, and East Asia have plenty of space.


(5) Finally, any comments on the idea to push back the technology levels of non-western civs? For me at least, it is very unrealistic that Japan and India start on the same tech-level footing with England and Germany. This can also help the european situation.

 

[AndyTerry]

Sharpe111
All it was already said. But, anyway, thanks for interest to mod