Your own UU

I've always thought each civ should bet one replacemnt UU and another UU that could only be built in limited quantities. SEALs should not replacement marines, nor should there be unlimited numbers of Immortals. One American UU definitely has to be the supercarrier, and maybe extremely cheap liberty ships.
 
I've always thought each civ should bet one replacemnt UU and another UU that could only be built in limited quantities. SEALs should not replacement marines, nor should there be unlimited numbers of Immortals. One American UU definitely has to be the supercarrier, and maybe extremely cheap liberty ships.
Liberty ships ? They where merchant ships ?
 
The Navy Seal is an interesting unit, since it makes sense for the American UU, but it is also not exactly what I would call the calling card of the greatest moments in American Military history. I'm guessing that's why we are spending a great deal of this discussion trying to replace it.

If you want to go back in history, you could probably call the American Musketman a Minuteman and give them a unique promotion like Morale or Leadership. After that, you could probably skip ahead to WWII units:

You could upgrade the Bomber to a B-29 and either increase the damage it does and probably increase the range. That would probably be more useful than the Navy Seal.

You could upgrade the infantry unit (as mentioned above, there isn't a special infantry in this game) to the Army Ranger and give it the March promotion to represent the American ability to keep moving supplies and new troops (as opposed to a version of the liberty ships.)

You could certainly upgrade the tank to the Sherman as noted above. You could also upgrade the Artilery unit with an extra MP and call it a Howitzer. I figure the extra MP would be, by far, the best way to upgrade artilery to make them more useful in what would be a WWI/WWII era war.

After that, you could pretty much take any modern era unit and upgrade it with an American UU. Not mentioned yet, how about upgrading the cruise missle to the Tomahawk, double the range and give it +25% damage against all units to represent the accuracy of the actual things.
 
Even though the F-15 is my favorite Fighter Jet in all of history, I like having the Navy SEAL as the UU for America alot more and I'm glad they did that. Flight UUs are not very useful as they come way too late and they're not used any where near as much as a normal style of unit that can kill enemy units, take cities, and fortify/defend cities. Not to mention having amphibeous assault really gives you a leg up if you're playing a continents or hemisphere game and you have a good navy.
 
Canadian- Monty- Replaces Cavalry- +1 Movement

HRE- Jesuit- Replaces Missionary- +1 Movement (There should be a missionary Replacement)

England- Longbowmen- Replace LBow- 7 Str ( Can't think of name)

Japan- (Don't know name)- Replace Fighter- +50% against Coastal Ships
 
Fishman Empire:
Spam horse- Replaces horse archer, -25% production cost, -25% unit upkeep

Arabian empire:
Bedouin horseman- Replaces cavalry, +1 movement point

Russian Empire:
Tzar Bomb- Replaces tactical nuke, +1 blast range, +50% damage
 
Actually the Sherman wasn't even the most produced tank in the war. That price also goes to the T-34, of which more than 57.000 were built. I mean, the whole discussion is wrong in so many levels that i dont even know where to start.

The T-34 was the best all around tank design of the war, no doubt about it. It was extremely reliable, taking on temperatures from -50 celcius in the winter to the very hot plains of central Russia, in summertime. It was easy to manufacture, easy to maintain and because its steering system was quite primitive(like a tractor, actually) anyone could drive it, with just a little practice. Also, it had a revolutionary sloped armor design which made its front virtually invulnerable against early german guns(Panzer III and to some extent the Panzer IV). Unfortunately for the Russians, it took them some 3 years to learn how to use this tank to their advantage. In 1942, the outclassed, outnumbered german tanks, could still take them on and come out victorious.

On to the subject of German tank design. For the majority of the war, the German had inferior tanks. Im not saying that the Panther or the Tiger tanks were badly designed(Although the Tiger had its share of flaws), they were probably the most influential and modern tank designs of the whole war. But the reality is that neither of those tanks were produced in sufficient numbers, to turn around the war. The single most produced tank in German service, was the Stug III, and they only produced 10.000 during the whole war. The Stug was a conversion of the Panzer III, and overall they offered a very good efficiency compared to their cost. It didn't have a rotating tower, which cut down both costs and build time considerably, and also gave it, its biggest advantage. It had a very low silhouette, making it hard to spot, and easy to camouflage.

The Tiger tank, while it had brilliant protection, and armament was ultimately a step in the wrong direction. They lost the biggest advantage of tank warfare, the speed and maneuverability. While it was exellent in tank to tank battles against the smaller American/British tanks, it didnt fare well on the Eastern Front.

The Panther sported an even better weapon system than the Tiger, a massive 75mm L/100 cannon, and combined that with a much more efficient protection system and a higher speed. It was heavily influenced by the T-34, but if you've got to steal, why not steal from the best? It was probably the best design, if you take a purely operational point of view. It was however a logistical nightmare, because of the demanding maintenance and the complex production of it. Nonetheless, it revolutionised tank design as much as the T-34, and influenced the western tank designs for years to come.

All in all, the Shermans only attribute was how easy it was to manufacture, and maintain. It had a high silhouette, little armor, low calibre gun, and only decent speed to boast. The primary reason the allies overwhelmed the Germans in France, was because of their spectacular airpower. Also, the Germans exactly the wrong tactic for dealing with this. Instead of trying to stop the enemy at the beaches, most their armor was in reserve. However, when they tried to move to the front, they were constantly bombed by the allies.

Anyway, im rambling as always :lol:
I apologise for making such a long off topic post, but you know... Once you start, its just so hard to stop again
 
Companion cavalry for Greeks. Though as an additional unit it would possibly be a bit overpowering to have two UUs in the same era. Then again, perhaps that could be their strength. As the current Phalanx isn't the best UU around anyway (not that it's bad). So a mediocre Horse Archer or Chariot replacement.

As for an entirely new UU concept altogether, I supose a Settler with strength would be interesting. Unable to attack - of course. Could be called a Colonist, Caravan, or something to that effect. Though it wouldn't really be that great I guess. As it would have an incredibly narrow frame of use.
 
"Several advantages of the Sherman over comparable Soviet tanks (as claimed by the source listed below):

- faster turret travers
- Better gun sights
- larger and better protected ammunition storage
- far more reliable engine (this seems to have been the big selling point of the Sherman, and in fact all British and US tanks the Russians operated)
- the late war 76mm Sherman apparently had better penetrating power than the T-34/85

Source: Vols. 3 and 12, Soviet Order of Battle in WW2 (Sharp, 1995-98 ) "
 
"Several advantages of the Sherman over comparable Soviet tanks (as claimed by the source listed below):

- faster turret travers
- Better gun sights
- larger and better protected ammunition storage
- far more reliable engine (this seems to have been the big selling point of the Sherman, and in fact all British and US tanks the Russians operated)
- the late war 76mm Sherman apparently had better penetrating power than the T-34/85

Source: Vols. 3 and 12, Soviet Order of Battle in WW2 (Sharp, 1995-98 ) "

BLAH! Tanks evolved quickly. You cannot say that the late war Sherman was better than the early war T34. Whilst that may be true in some cases, by the time the Sherman M4A3 with its 76mm gun (like the T34/76) the Soviets had upgraded to T34/85 with an 85mm gun, whose velocity could penetrate a Tigers Armor up until 500 meters.
 
Greeks-Trireme
India- War Elephant
Byzantines- Dromon???
Japan- Ninja, Shinigami (is that actually real or have I been hanging around my anime-loving friend too much)
 
"The 85mm-armed T-34 began production in 1944, at about the same time when the 76mm-armed Sherman did. The two guns were comparable, so where is the problem?"

"Radio should be considered the foundation for modern tank tactics , or Modern War for that matter. Without one in each tank ,all you have is an uncoordinated "horde". Looking at it from this point of view, one could say the T-34 was an obsolete tank by its design , at least by Western standards."
 
Id make the Immortal a replacement for the axeman that had two move instead of one. You'd probably have to tweak the attack values or something, but make it a melee unit stronger than a spearman with two move.
 
A "super-Impi"?
 
The Immortal wasn't stronger than a regular Spear, they were just replaced when they died so that there were always 10,000. I suggest a Spear that starts with Medic.
 
As a scandinavian, I suppose I'd like to see Drakkar (longship) as a UU. It'd probably be a galley variant, with either stronger combat modifiers, or cargo space for three units.
 
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