Alternate History NESes; Spout some ideas!

BTW, I assume that you gave up on the old Guess-the-PoD map? In that case, the answer is Skobelev coups the Russian government in 1882 and reforms the Russian army. At a later date, Boulanger also couped France inspired by his example.

Here is the next guess-the-PoD, World in 1905.

My guess is that the PoD is somewhere around Napoleonic times...

My guess is that the PoD is somewhere around Napoleonic times...

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It is indeed. What happened then, in that case?

Napoleon succeeds in taking the Lebanese coast from the English? Or perhaps Nelson loses in that great naval battle in Egypt...What's that one called again..?

British lose war of 1812?

Nelson defects to the French, and the British fleet is destroyed at Trafalgar, interestingly enough, making the map 100 years after the PoD. With the British Fleet out of the way, he is able to pursue his Egyptian adventure, and force Britain out of the war, after more heavy fighting, perhaps involving America.

Napoleon succeeds in taking the Lebanese coast from the English?

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Nope, he still fails in that one...

Or perhaps Nelson loses in that great naval battle in Egypt...What's that one called again..?

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Aboukir? No, still loses...

British lose war of 1812?

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Nope. Well, they do lose it, but as a (fairly distant) consequence of the PoD.

I don't think you people will guess the real answer any time soon.

Well then how teh hell does France have all that land that Napoleon OTL tried to conquer? Napoleon doesn't go into Russia?

Nelson defects to the French, and the British fleet is destroyed at Trafalgar, interestingly enough, making the map 100 years after the PoD. With the British Fleet out of the way, he is able to pursue his Egyptian adventure, and force Britain out of the war, after more heavy fighting, perhaps involving America.

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Somehow I doubt Nelson's betraying capacity... Egyptian adventure was long abandoned by 1805. However, you did guess the part about the map being 100 years after the PoD. Shouldn't be too hard now...

Btw, a note on local politics: the Competing Coalitions:
- Monroe Doctrine Pact: Quebec, USA, CSA. Currently mostly hostile towards France, but don't like Britain or Russia neither.
- British Coalition: UK, Imperial Brazil, Scandinavia, Greece, Persia, Afghanistan, Siam, Taiping China. Opposes Russian and French Coalitions, tries to play them off against each other.
- French Coalition: France, Peruvian Empire, Platine Republic, Spain, Rhenish Confederation, Italy. Is about to go to war with Russia, doesn't like Britain neither though.
- Russian Coalition: Russia, Poland, Austria, Serbia, Qing China, Japan. Are on a brink of war with France and only five years ago fought with Britain (see Fifth Taiping War).

Well then how teh hell does France have all that land that Napoleon OTL tried to conquer? Napoleon doesn't go into Russia?

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Psst. Napoleons II and III picked all that up later. He didn't invade Russia, but that ain't the PoD neither.

If this NES is ever made, I call the CSA (yes I know, Im picking another splinter nation from the USA in a das POD...)

Did you say no France winning at Trafalgar?

I call France. If anyone tries to take it away. I will bludgeon you to a bloody pulp with a keyboard.

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I call France. If anyone tries to take it away. I will bludgeon you to a bloody pulp with a keyboard.

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I demand tribute from France then!

Hmmm.... could you explain how Russia got the Oregon-Washington area?

Hmmm thats an interseting one

Well the USA has broken up if it existed, The British lost Quebec and it appears to be independant, the US has its captial at OTL Detroit. I think this means that the Brits lost 1812 and were busy elsewhere.

Naploenic France exists and Nappies puppet states, Confederation of the Rhine, Grand Duchy of Warsaw and Austria perhaps might be a puppet now.

The Brits kept all the colonies they took over from Holland in the Naploeniac Wars, Indoesia, Cape Colony.

From those points I'd say the POD occurs in 1812-1815 region as both Europe and NA our very different. The fact that RUssia is huge means IMO that they have liberilzed perhaps Napolean succeded there? and installed a modern ruler that has subsqunetly expanded. No more Ottoman EMpire so perhaps there was a Crimean war ITL. The Northern Chinese State, Manchurian is also strange. I dont think the POD is a French Victory at Waterloo, and by 1813 in our history Nappie was doomed so I think it has to be 1812 and that means succesful invasion of Russia.

Also just noticed no Prussia.

If this NES is ever made, I call the CSA (yes I know, Im picking another splinter nation from the USA in a das POD...)

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Technically, you picked off that part of USA that didn't splinter away in NES2 III...

Did you say no France winning at Trafalgar?

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Nope. I really doubt their winning cappacity there...

Hmmm.... could you explain how Russia got the Oregon-Washington area?

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It was a historic claim, and THIS Russia didn't have to deal with all those annoying Polish rebellions... And ofcourse there was this war called the Monroe Doctrine War, after which the USA had to acknowledge those Russian claims.

Well the USA has broken up if it existed, The British lost Quebec and it appears to be independant, the US has its captial at OTL Detroit. I think this means that the Brits lost 1812 and were busy elsewhere.

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Well, yes, they did lose 1812 due to having to commit more troops to Europe and a certain different area.

Naploenic France exists and Nappies puppet states, Confederation of the Rhine, Grand Duchy of Warsaw and Austria perhaps might be a puppet now.

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What Grand Duchy of Warsaw? Its the Kingdom of Poland. And Austria, as previously said, is "independant", though increasingly a Russian puppet.

The Brits kept all the colonies they took over from Holland in the Naploeniac Wars, Indoesia, Cape Colony.

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Ddddduh. No Netherlands, so whom should they return all that to?

From those points I'd say the POD occurs in 1812-1815 region

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Despite me already saying the PoD was specifically in 1805, just like NK thought... Though it was a different one.

The fact that RUssia is huge means IMO that they have liberilzed perhaps Napolean succeded there? and installed a modern ruler that has subsqunetly expanded.

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You mean a liberal leader, right? Because installing a MODERN ruler would require a time machine. Not to mention that Tsar Vladimir I, Founder of the Putin Dynasty, sounds rather odd. And expansion came from a good treaty with France: Partition of Turkey, and then that Monroe Doctrine War. But, no, Napoleon did not succeed, and I somewhat doubt his capability to do so (Russia has a lot of lands AND capitals. Alexander only defeated Persia when it was already quite decayed, while 1812 Russia is the height of its power for quite a lot of time). Well, maybe if Alexander suddenly dies just as the invasion begins... But no.

Also just noticed no Prussia.

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Yeah. Stalin006 won't like that, methinks...

Give up yet?

Btw, I have two more Guess-the-PoD maps added to my to-show list...

And remember, anybody who wants to use ANY of my settings, sure thing, and I will be glad to give some information.

Also, did anybody read that whole 1812 thing on the previous page?

Bump. Should I just give you the PoD and post the next one, or will you rather try again?

I give up. Post!

MUWHAHAHAHAHA!

Napoleon lost at Austerlitz, but became more cautious afterwards. He reconciled with Taleyrand, and influenced Alexander I of Russia via his friend Adam Czartoryski (future King Adam I of Poland) to attack Austria and Prussia in alliance with France. Russia and France divided Europe into spheres of influence, while the USA beat up the British in Canada (the British were distracted to the more intensive Peninsular War). At a later date, Napoleon II and Nicholas I carved up the Ottoman Empire.

And this is the next Guess-the-PoD. The year is 1800 AD...