Alternate History NESes; Spout some ideas!

So? Which alternate histories appeal to you?

  • Rome Never Falls

    Votes: 58 35.8%
  • Axis Wins WWII

    Votes: 55 34.0%
  • D-Day Fails

    Votes: 41 25.3%
  • No Fort Sumter, No Civil War

    Votes: 32 19.8%
  • No Waterloo

    Votes: 33 20.4%
  • Islamic Europe

    Votes: 43 26.5%
  • No Roman Empire

    Votes: 37 22.8%
  • Carthage wins Punic Wars

    Votes: 51 31.5%
  • Alexander the Great survives his bout with malaria

    Votes: 54 33.3%
  • Mesoamerican Empires survived/Americas not discovered

    Votes: 48 29.6%
  • Americans lose revolutionary war/revolutionary war averted

    Votes: 44 27.2%
  • Years of Rice and Salt (Do it again!)

    Votes: 24 14.8%
  • Recolonization of Africa

    Votes: 20 12.3%
  • Advanced Native Americans

    Votes: 59 36.4%
  • Successful Zimmerman note

    Votes: 35 21.6%
  • Germany wins WWI

    Votes: 63 38.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 19.1%

  • Total voters
    162
1732-1745. First Revolutionary War and Immediate Consequences.

June 18th 1732. General Golitsyn is dead, his army is in shambles, and Sikorsky stands triumphant on the field of Zhodino. The great conscript army, supported by the Republican Guard and by the light cavalry raiders, has destroyed its enemies, has wrested the initiative from them. However, Poland still has to fight a three-front war - Sweden in the west and the north (for the Swedes, alas, rule the Baltic Sea) and Russia in the east. Luckily, the Turks are too busy fighting Moroccan and Egyptian rebels to attack as well, but Sikorsky really doubts they can do anything.

So? What will he do? To ensure the safety of the Republic, the Swedes needed to be brought to the negotiating table. To do that, a significant military victory in Germany was needed, perhaps even several victories. But to allow that... The Eastern theatre-of-actions should be closed first. Luckily, Russia was the weakest link in Sweden's anti-Polish coalition - revolt-struck and ruled by an unpopular and weak-willed Tsar, Mikhail II, or rather by Berdanov, the fat old boyar chief minister who pulled all the strings behind the Russian throne. Already in 1731, aware of the recent defeats, the peasants and cossacks used the opportunity to rise up. Sikorsky has an idea...

In cooperation with the local cossack Hetman, Stepan Bulba, Polish forces in late 1732 press into Podolia. What little resistance there is, is crushed. A Swedish force tries to threaten Thorn from East Prussia, but is then faced by General Wladislaw Shmigly and his Armia Krajowa and forced to retreat in shame after several skirmishes proved Polish preparidness. In Ukraine, Polish forces stop only at Kiev; the city is besieged and a peace treaty is offered to Berdanov - secretly, ofcourse. With an even more secret protocol attached...

Russia is to withdraw from the war with Poland, to withdraw all support from anti-republican groups, to recognize the People's Republic. Russia is to cede Podolia and all other territories west of Dnieper, though as a sweetener it is allowed to keep Kiev. What does Poland do? Poland withdraws support from all rebels in Russia. Poland gives Russia monetary support and a small expeditionary corps. And within two months after the defeat of the rebels, Russia is to... declare war on Sweden. In exchange, it will get Estonia, Livonia and West Karelia. And maybe Finland.

Berdanov shakes his head. He would agree to the peace, but a war with Sweden? At least he should get logistical assisstance and two more months. Sikorsky promises to help him with supplies, and one more month.

Berdanov is hesitating, and less then a week later a (Polish-incited, probably) rebellion in Moscow takes place, it is only barely put down. Another Polish army threatens Smolensk... Berdanov agrees. Sikorsky doesn't completely trust him ofcourse, and leaves a few divisions at Minsk, under General Mieszko, to guard the region.

By the time they agree, 1733 is already on. It is a year of turmoil, and not just here in Poland. Far, far away, across the Atlantic Ocean, there are numerous revolts against the unstable Spanish rule, revolts that are eventually put down by local forces... just barely. Back in Spain, Phillip VI died and the Conservatives were on the retreat, their new leader - Phillip "VII", though not crowned formally yet - is very desperate whilst another Spanish Habsburg decides that this place is doomed and flees... somewhere. In England, things aren't better - the Scotts are on a rampage in Ireland and Wales, England itself (and most of Wales - the Scottish filibusters failed to capture much of it, only some coastal areas) is torn apart between Parliamentarists and Royalists, and the former are winning this time, led by the enigmatic Robert Blake. And in France... Louis XV continues to wage a desperate war against the Orleanists (OOC: who represent "parliamentary monarchy" and were forced by d'Arles into an uneasy coalition with the Republicans) and Republicans, but is being very uncooperative, i.e. doesn't ask his sworn enemies to save him now. In Italy, Paolo Buonoparte organizes a revolution that was declared by Louis XV to be the "worst kind of sacrilige" - he declares the Roman Republic and leads an angry mob to Vatican, forcing the Pope to flee first for Florence and then for Lisbon. The Roman Republic spreads like a disease, and the short Corsican lawyer suddenly turns out to be a very capable commander - though he had not much of a military education, he seemed to have some sort of an instinctive grasp on tactics and strategy, not to mention politics where he manages to repeat Sikorsky's Polish feat by mobilizing the population in practically all provinces he came across, destroying all princely Italian armies with great masses of peasants and citizens driven to fanaticism (OOC: basically, he's doing a form of what Fouche did in 1809 when he beat back a British invasion force with a swiftly-assembled "army" of conscripts). On April 3rd, when the Roman Revolution just begun, he holds Rome; by April 11th, the Corsican Lawyer holds all of Latium (a.k.a. western half of the Papal States); by the end of April, he is the undisputed ruler (sure, there are some national assemblies there, but that's just for the looks) of not just the former Papal States but also Tuscany and parts of Naples. Rebellions in his native Corsica and Sardinia follow soon after. Neapolitan army is routed at Caserta; San Marino surrendered without a fight, as did Lucca; Venice is paralyzed; by the end of the year, Roman Republic holds nearly a half of Italy, slightly slowing down near Milan and Venetian Padua... Denmark is filled with disorder as well, with a revolutionary government rising to power by the end of the year and pushing rather too far, not to mention being too close to Sweden.

And in Germany, as news of Sikorsky's peace with Russia and succesful capture of Elbing and Konigsberg spread, a most unpleasant situation appears, with numerous rebellions against Swedish rule. And not just some pathetic princes this time - nein, now the citizens are rebelling in the streets. At least this does have some beneficient results for Charles X - the princes fear the revolution much more then they fear Sweden, and so they, with the exception of Adolph the Mad of Darmstadt, side with the Vasa. This comes in handy in early 1734, when, having finished mopping up Courland and East Prussia, and having taken Riga, the main Polish army, led by Sikorsky personally, invaded Silesia. Meanwhile, Russia finally entered the war - in spite of some turmoil and the Swedes being not entirely surprised, the Russians managed, together with another Polish army, to overrun much of Livonia and Estonia, and Swedes, led by General Lindgren, only barely held back the Russian attack at Viborg. Problematically, ofcourse, the Russian army hardly has high morale, and still is recovering from the defeats of the war with their new allies, but they did open two new theatres, effectively, and closed one of the Swedish ones. Thus now Sikorsky needs to worry only about the German operational theatre, whilst Charles X had to fight on two, three, even four fronts. And there was no telling how events in Italy and France would come out....

It seemed as if a decisive battle would come soon, any moment now, but 1734 passed by without any such decisive, final climax.

The feeble Silesian armies were easily crushed at Waldenburg by Sikorsky; the Swedes avoided combat. Charles X was desperately strenghthening his positions and reorganizing his army, whilst Siegbahn played land for time. Another Swedish army, a rather small group actually, in cooperation with local princes was fighting the German rebellions, which were especially widespread in the northwest and the south. Talinn was the only Swedish city in Estonia that continued to resist, whilst the war in Karelia stalemated. Good news came from the sea, ofcourse, as the Swedish-Dutch fleet decimated the Polish one at Memel - but that hardly was enough.

1735 came. England and Wales were declared an United Republic, which however was clearly opposed to the Scottish Republic to the north. In France, Louis XV begun to gain the upper hand again after the Orleanists and Republicans begun fighting each other as well, after D'Arles died in the Battle at Rennes. In Spain, chaos reigned supreme, albeit in name at least the Liberals and Carlos III have triumphed. In Italy, Buonoparte's Roman Republic was by then undisputed, especially after Buonoparte succesfully got Charles X AND Louis XV to recognize the new republic - after all, neither of them were in shape to fight it. The new republic was consolidating and solidifying, albeit regretfully the attempts to take Venetian Dalmatia failed - the Turks beat the Romans to it, and to most other Venetian oversea possessions. Ah well. In a court coup, Berdanov died, and the new chief minister (and de facto ruler) was Ivan Chirikov, who hinted to Charles that he did not at all plan to oblige by the humiliating Treaty of Smolensk. Ofcourse, no blatant betrayal was being suggested, but Russia was open to peace proposals.

Charles X considered all this well, and decided that enough was enough. The troops, the Germans, everybody was restless and anxious. Well then, he will not disappoint! He will gain a position of strenght on the battlefield and use it to negotiate with Russia - and the German rebels.

There was a problem, though. Whilst Charles assembled his great army, Sikorsky already took Berlin and also managed to force Siegbahn to give battle... and won, ofcourse. Wishing to destroy the threat to his flank, Sikorsky marched out for Pommerania, for Rostock to be more precise. Swedish-German-Dutch army of Charles only barely achieved something of a numerical superiority over Sikorsky's force, whilst in quality there was no doubt that the Polish army was the best. To the south of Rostock, the two armies met to decide the fates of Europe.

The Battle at Rostock. One of the greatest battles in the history of humanity, or so many will call it. But some would also call it "decisive". It was hardly that. The Swedish army was, ofcourse, considered by all contemporaries to be the best army of Europe. But in being best, it lagged behind as far as innovation went. Gustavus Adolphus, who invented flexible formations, combined armies and linear tactics, who was the architect of the strenght of Swedish armies, was dead. His system slowly became obsolete, albeit some still did their best to reform it and to bring it up to date. But by then, a new system was needed, with a new visionary. That visionary was Sikorsky, and he won.

The Swedish forces quickly tried to seize initiative and to strike on the Polish left flank. Sikorsky pretended to strengthen said flank, but actually prepared troops in his center to outflank the Swedish flankers. Said flankers, led by Siegbahn, were not caught completely by surprise and at some point nearly broke the Polish flankers with a secondary flank attack, but by then the main portion of Sikorsky's center, held by most Swedish commanders to be "some peasants with muskets", and his right flank simply crushed the rest of the Swedish army - to be fair, this time the German troops held strong, but were eventually broken.

Sikorsky was triumphant, whilst Charles fled for Mecklenburg. Or was he? Germany was ripe for taking... or was it? Polish supplies just weren't prepared for the effort needed to overrun Germany, whilst the waves of rebellion in Germany were beginning to peter out. Sure, Sikorsky still could capture much of Germany... but soon after, Charles managed to give the majority of German rebels a convenient fig leaf out of the war. The Ausgleich which Charles wanted to proclaim as victor at Rostock he now declared, defeated, from Mecklenburg, but something of the needed effect was achieved. Germans were way too civilized, too loyal, too phlegmatic to become a nation of revolutionaries. Which was why peasants and burghers, apart from some particularily fanatical northwesterners preffered the stable, good Vasa rule over a Republic, a concept that was foreign to Germany.

The Ausgleich was not really a work of genius (though Chancellor Tingsten definitely was if not a genius then at least an outstanding statesman), but it did the job. Simply enough, German Confederation was abolished and replaced by a Kingdom of Germany, consisting of all of Germany, including Kingdom of Bohemia, save for Swedish Pommerania. Said Kingdom was in personal union with Sweden, ofcourse. Said Kingdom was a fairly loose confederation, with the surviving princes having a large amount of autonomy, and had a bicamerial Konigstag (with the princes being, naturally, much more powerful then city and province representatives). Eventually, this system of personal union transformed into the United Kingdoms of Sweden and Germany, or Sweden-Germany, or just the UK (or UKSG).

This was an immense diplomatic and political victory, but it scarcely changed the facts: what little eagerness Chirikov might still have had for peace on equal terms after Sweden's defeat at Rostock was destroyed by the humiliating annihilation of a Swedish army at Magedburg, followed up by a new republican coup in Brunswick (remember - the northwestern Germans were hardly eager to surrender even after the Ausgleich). No, now Sweden would need to make concessions. Charles hesitated, hesistated... then news came from Viborg. A great Russian fleet was assembled nearby. The Swedish ships were too far to intercept it before Russians could outflank the fortress...

Distressed, Charles thought things over and... gave Chirikov a certain generous offer, an offer that would seem fairly controversial if we a) forget Charles' situation and b) forget that he, after all, was a half-German, and held Germany to be worth much more then some silly three provinces promised to Russia...

Estonia, Livonia and Courland, where Swedish were only beginning to counterattack, were promised to Russia. Russia would renounce all claims on Swedish parts of Karelia. Sweden would recognize all of Greater Lithuania (OOC: meaning all Lithuanian lands as of 1568, which is... to put it simply a lot of land) as Russian territory if they capture it. Russia is to re-enter the war with Poland within one month...

It, perhaps, didn't seem wise for Chirikov to betray Poland and ally with a defeated foe. But Chirikov knew something else. In Poland itself, Sikorsky dismissed the counterrevolution as a "phantom" and in spite of the advice of his old friend Wladimir Krajowski he did not strenghthen surveillance over the forgiven monarchists. But the Phantom of Reaction was raising its head again whilst Sikorsky was away, and to say the truth many of the more moderate republicans begun to despise their powerful master. And the war-weariness was beginning to fill Poland once more, as economy begun to shake... Chirikov, thus, knew that for all of Sikorsky's military victories, he was beginning to lose the battle that mattered - the battle for the hearts of his people. The peasants were still fairly conservative, and albeit Sikorsky's enigmatic personality drew many to support him, the price for this support was staggering, for the "levee en masse" took an entire generation out to the battlefields of Russia and Germany. Chirikov's spies gave him correct information - indeed, all it would take is just one defeat.

It is hard to say if Sikorsky was completely ignorant of this. But by the time he, in early 1736, did order a tightening of security, it really was too late. If only because the Russian front was re-opened, and Poles were besieged in Riga. Minsk was being threatened. The war in Ukraine went better for the Poles, though - there, the cossacks remained on their side, despite all. But in the west, Sikorsky was forced to retreat - "the German revolution was betrayed from within - and we must save Poland from a betrayal from without". Germany's was not the only defeated revolution - in France, Louis XV ("the Iron-Willed" was a worthy epithet for him indeed) was indeed too strong a ruler to give up easily; in fact, he by then had forced Duc d'Orleans to renounce all claims to the throne at the point of his sword (sources disagree if this was figuratively, as Louis XV was, though strong-willed, perhaps a little too predisposed for dramatic gestures...) and crushed Republicans in most of France; they only held out in the northeast by the beginning of 1736, the last year of the French Civil War. Spain... was Spain, the Portuguese even used the occasion to conquer Galicia (the Spanish one, naturally). Buonoparte was still all-powerful in Italy - an immensely ill-planned counterrevolutionary rising in Sicily was crushed, and ambitious reforms - "The Code of Civil Laws" - standardized law and destroyed many hangovers of feudalism, especially present in southern Italy. But that was irrelevant - Italy was at peace with the monarchies, and Buonoparte was free to impose "order and freedom", a stabilized version of the early New Roman Republic. The tide of Revolution, of the excitement of the masses has reached its highest point... and begun to subside. Very fast.

When Sikorsky was strong in Poland in the wake of his victories over the invaders, he introduced many radical measures - he confiscated property left and right, he raised taxes, he conscripted, he took all priveleges from the clergy. But now, the measures undertaken to prevent a counter-revolution proved too radical for the time, whilst earlier the people would have been surprised for the mildness of it all. The amnesty was essentially cancelled, those leaders who combatted the People's Republic in its early days were, together with a few newer troublemakers, imprisoned for counterrevolutionary activity. Some of them were executted soon after. Those half-hearted measures were such to avoid reverting to "tyranny worthy of a king" as Sikorsky put it - but had he taken harsh measures he would have probably defeated the counter-revolution; with what he did, he merely created a few martyrs and drew unnecessary attention to the counter-revolutionary cause. In the powerless Zgromadzenie Ludowe, "moderation" spred - the true revolutionaries were already scared into submission by Sikorsky's seeming allpowerfullness, and none of them dared act to save the Republic.
 
And then... the inevitable came. Nobody can win forever, and Sikorsky was defeated at Paderborn. It was far from a decisive defeat - it was a very close-ran battle, and Sikorsky only lost due to lack of luck. Still, in spite of orderly retreat, Sikorsky was immediately filled with suspicion... and fear. He knew that this was what his enemies were waiting for. In Warsaw, they would make this seem like a rout through their lies, and before Sikorsky could return... they would betray the revolution! So Sikorsky hurried with most of his army east, telling them that he received a reliable message - the counterrevolution has begun. And so it had. General Shmigly's Armia Krajowa was led by its ambitious leader ito Warsaw; the Steelwall has made a deal with the counterrevolutionaries, because he felt needlessly neglected by Sikorsky in all times but those of peril (not necessarily untrue...). Shmigly defeated what little resistance there was and declared the end of the People's Republic. "Now, children of Poland, we will no longer follow the tyrant Sikorsky and his warmongering ways - no, now Poland will seek peace!" A provisional government was formed by the Council of Five, which then declared Shmigly their leader and the regent of the restored Royal Republic. Problems appeared almost immediately - Shmigly didn't want to give up over a half of Poland's territory to Russia for some odd reason, and Sikorsky for his part was already reported to be in Berlin, if not in Poznan.

On August 5th 1736, Polish Civil War officially recommenced. Sikorsky marched on Warsaw, and organized some of the Poles to fight on his side; his only real powerbase was his army, however - the people will only support the People's Republic when it will once more triumph, and triumph definitely, completely. And Sikorsky did his best. Shmigly was a determined defender, but he was badly outnumbered and only barely managed to flee the city with a few supporters; the real winners from all this were the Russians and the Swedes, that advanced against nonexistant and demoralized Polish troops in Greater Lithuania and Germany respectively. As Russians marched into Volhynia and Lithuania Proper, they received growing resistance, but it was not enough to hinder them. Not wishing to bind himself to a sinking corpse, Stepan Bulba declared the Zaporozhian Republic, which gave rather more efficient resistance to the Russians, but attempts to incite new cossack and serf rebellions in Russia failed - nobody wanted to risk their lives for some abstract "freedom" anymore, after the most rebellious died or were sent to penal colonies in the aftermath of the last rebellion.

But ofcourse Sikorsky didn't abandon all of Germany to the Swedes; no, in Rostock, the garrison of General Stanislaw Dromowski continued to hold out against all odds, as did the Berlin garrison, and all this unnecessarily hindered Swedish movement. And that won Sikorsky time - he managed to march east and to defeat Shmigly at Marijampole and then Russians at Kaunas. Negotiations with Stepan Bulba yielded not much fruit, but by then Sikorsky didn't care too much about it - he needed to organize a defense of Poland. He appealed to the people of Poland, to their patriotism, and inspite of the warweariness he managed to raise some more support. In spite of his defeats, Shmigly refused to surrender, retreating to Lublin and forming a government there. Russian advance was repeatedly checked by Sikorsky, but his forces were beginning to be stretched thin, especially as the Swedes landed in East Prussia.

By the beginning of 1737, Sikorsky was determined to knock out Shmigly first, and knock him out for good. A two-pronged attack on Lublin begun, but by then Shmigly, a formidable defender, turned the city into an exemplary Vauban fortress. Assault after assault was beaten back, and although Shmigly did know that he surrendered initiative to Sikorsky, he was also aware that time was against the Dictator of the Republic. All he needed was to hold out long enough... And Sikorsky knew this as well, which was why he decided to launch an all-out assault. The fortress-city was surrounded and bombarded ruthlessly for several days, and then eventually a costly massive assault allowed its capture after seven hours of very brutal fighting within the city's fortress. Shmigly was captured and executted by a firing squad. But Sikorsky's forces took great casualties in the assault; indeed, it was a pyrrhic victory, and the only thing worse would have been a defeat. Ofcourse, Sikorsky's positions were actually safer now that he was close to Warsaw - but nonetheless, too much was at stake. Even with the defeat of Shmigly, there was a continued conservative guerrila war in the countryside, and the events of July 1736 hardly made Sikorsky trust the cities. They all were waiting for him to slip. He was determined not to.

But when so many people want for just one man to slip, he eventually does. Throughout 1737, Sikorsky succesfully warded off attack after attack, and defeated a conservative "army" at Rzeszow. 1738 saw more retreats, but a continued desperate struggle. Vilnus fell, Poznan fell, but Sikorsky fought on. Alread open revolts started against him, but nonetheless most of them were crushed. And finally, he was himself defeated at Slonim on August 17th, where Russian and Swedish forces under Mitorin and Charles X respectively met up. That was the end.

...Nobody knows what happened to Sikorsky. Some claim he died at Slonim, others that he drowned during the retreat, a persistant version says that he commited suicide soon after Slonim. The clergy's unofficial stance on the issue was that the Satan took his servant back. Or something like that. Anyway, he was dead, and Poland collapsed before the leaves fell. The Vasa Royal Republic (under a member of a cadet line of the Polish dynasty, as the Polish Vasa main line was extinct) was restored, but lost vast parts of its land - Sweden took several northwestern lands into Germany, including the city of Thorn, whilst Russia got what it was promised. Poland was hardly a stable state afterwards, much to the contrary actually - the new rulers brought peace, but at a horrible price. Still, the war was over, peace came, and with it the time to pick up the pieces.

By 1745, the situation in the world somehow stabilized, and it is a good opportunity to examine the most serious of changes:

Europe:

In British Isles, the United Republic eventually crumbled, but the extremelly-limited monarchy that was restored as a compromise had to adopt many of the Republic's social reforms. The Second English Monarchy was headed by a cadet branch of House Bourbon ("English Bourbons" or "House of Burbon-Stuart"), something that was only pulled through because of the Swedish distraction and the very limited nature of English monarchy; technically, everybody would have preffered to have the real Stuarts, but they disagreed with the constitution and a large amount of them fled... elsewhere (see below). Scotland and Ireland, meanwhile, were unified into the Celtic Republic with a capital in Glasgow; attempts to capture Wales failed, naturally, but Scotland and Ireland were, after all, what mattered. And the Swedes still were, out of custom (and out of the harmlessness of the Celts), supporting said Republic.

In France, absolutism was stronger then ever, the Parlement was dissolved for an uncertain amount of time and Louis the Iron-willed was completely undisputed a ruler. In Spain, after the chaos, another limited monarchy emerged, though a horribly unpopular and thus unstable one. After some serious effort to fix things after the Spanish Empire lost over a half of its lands (see below), the new ruling elite decided that this was hopeless and that being corrupt is much more fun anyway. In Italy, Paolo Buonoparte stabilized his Roman Republic, eventually transforming it into... the Roman Empire. Needless to say that seriously disturbed everybody outside of it, but Emperor Paolo I assured the world that his intentions were peaceful. No, really. The rulers of Europe trusted him rather more when he hinted that being peaceful means being peaceful to EUROPEANS - Turks don't count. Already, preparations begun...

Anyway... Sweden-Germany survived the rebellions of 1743, though Denmark, occupied since 1735, had to be evacuated; the new Danish Republic was completely isolated, entrenched and increasingly opressive. A smart Dane (an outstanding statesman as well as inventor) called Valdemar Nielsen invented the "Nielsen's razor" (OTL guillotine), an innovative, modern, effective instrument for killing Swedish spies, enemies of the people and other undesirables. Poland was shaken by revolts in 1744, but the Royal Republic survived for now. Russia was having lots of trouble imposing control on the vast conquered territories, but Chirikov wasn't a one to give up; percentage of Lithuanians as an ethnic group in Eastern Siberia grew quite rapidly, whilst Zaporozhian Cossacks often fled for Poland and Turkish Hungary, causing awful amounts of havoc in both. Speaking of Hungary, the Ottoman control there, and in North Africa, and in Arabia, and in fact in numerous other parts of their empire was slipping - corruption combined with overstretchment was beginning to do harm, and soon enough First and Third Romes started planning a carve-up of certain territories of Second Rome, conspiring with Hungary's very own noble revolutionary Bela Petofi, who by then already staged two unsuccesful but popular revolts near Buda.

Europe begun to calm down. But what once was, may come again...

Americas:

America was... very interesting in this time. As one might expect, Spain's and France's troubles led to much opportunity within their American holdings. And there always are opportunists where there is opportunity, so... Firstly, Virginia almost by default expanded west, across the Appalachians, to Ohio River; the French hardly had troops to spare to stop this, or Carolina's subsequent westwards expansion. Carolina was taken over by Rupert Stuart (OOC: named so for Prince Rupert, ofcourse), one of the pretenders to England's throne, when he fled here, to this Royalist stronghold, in 1734, sensing the war in England lost. Refusing to accept the Parliamentarist terms for peace (i.e. the extreme limitation of king's authority in exchange for recognition of him as king), Rupert declared himself King Rupert I of Carolina. Said Carolina would naturally have a series of rather repetitive and indecisive border wars with Virginia, and thus would have to seek allies in France and... Mexico. But before you learn about the nature of newly-independant Mexico, something about other opportunists in the region:
- Scottish (or now Celtic) Darien land-grabbed somewhat, taking all of OTL Panama and Costa Rico.
- The Carolinans managed to eventually take Bahamas and Jamaica without much of a fight; went on to take Danish Virgin Islands.
- The French recovering earlier then the Spanish as they did, they took Eastern Hispaniola.
- Hollanders took St. Lucia, Trinidad and Antigua, though the latter was by 1745 sold back to England.
- Portugal expanded in the Amazon region greatly, though its efforts to take Buenos Aires and Asuncion somewhat failed (see below)...

And Mexico... Well, remember that runaway Habsburg pretender? He was called Ferdinand, and he was rather inspired by Rupert's Carolinan efforts. After spending some time gaining friends and influencing people, he peacefully, with scarcely a shot fired, stole most of Viceroyalty of New Spain (not the Carribean parts, alas, but everything else...) and created the Empire of Mexico, with himself as Emperor Ferdinand I. As Spanish rule seemed doomed anyway, a bit of talk with important governors and garrison commanders made all this possible.

Miracilously, perhaps because the only one with any initiative was a half-crazed descendant-of-the-last-Inca, Viceroyalties of New Granada and Peru remained Spanish... for now. Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plata, plus a part of Peruvian Viceroyalty called "Chile", was separate; it was called United Jesuit Provinces of La Plata, a theocratic democracy, a Jesuit republic based in Asuncion that succesfully fought off Portuguese and Spanish efforts to subjugate it. The visionary leader of this... interesting state was Simeon Juarez, who managed to unite Jesuit priests and their converts with the Spanish colonists into a single state, no simple feat ofcourse.

India:

Numerous English, French and Spansh colonies were occupied by Holland; most of them were later returned.

Southeast Asia:

The Dutch succesfully took over Philippines, but an attempt to retake Formosa resulted in an indecisive three-year naval war with China, eventually resulting in the recognition of status quo - Holland kept Philppines, China kept Formosa. Still, this war was significant as it greatly damage Sino-Dutch relations.
 
Reno, I see that you're online, there is no hiding from me, you will read all of this now because it took me lots of time to write it.

Anyhow, I think four more posts left:
1. The World (minus Europe) 1745-1800.
2. Europe 1745-1800.
3. Summary of althist for the Lazy Ones and those with little time.
4. A brief report on world situation as of 1800 - i.e. the great powers, the alliance system, the regions of tension, and so forth.

And then a map.
 
Reno, I see that you're online, there is no hiding from me, you will read all of this now because it took me lots of time to write it.

I've read it, but i'll read it again during the weekend, don't worry, you did not go through all that trouble for nothing this is great so far. :)
 
Reno, I replied there. I might actually develop it further when I'm done with the current althist here.
 
Reno, I replied there.
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I've read your reply, and one must say that i'm disapointed. The collapse of the German Empire was in no way a good thing. A Monarchist, and biased as i may be, i still fail to see the good in it. Sure Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Turkey and Czarist Russia were ripe to collapse but Germany? No.
 
Did I ever say it was certain to collapse? It still was an outdated system unless it managed to reform. It had far better chances to do so then, say, Austria-Hungary. But with a 1918 "victory", it will be doomed.

Anyhow, the fall of German Empire COULD be said to have "positive" and "negative" consequences. Technically, its survival would not be really better or worse, it would simply be different.
 
But with a 1918 "victory", it will be doomed.

That really depends on the peace treaty that is signed, though the revolution that fell the German Monarchy started in Kiel, (And from there it spred) because the Admiral of the navy was going to send his ships out in a suicide mission to end the peace talks. if he had not done that, there might have not been a rebellion against the Monarchy at all. But who's to say, the rebellion might still have happend.

It still was an outdated system unless it managed to reform.

I think Germany Would/Could have reformed itself, in do time. Austria-Hungary was not yet beyond help, but Czarist Russia and Ottoman Turkey, were already way too late to reform without a revolution.

Anyhow, the fall of German Empire COULD be said to have "positive" and "negative" consequences.

True, but it all depends on who's point of view, does one look at the sittuation.
 
Just read again the new parts, that you posted and i must say that it's great work once again. So there are two Independent American States now, and i must say that i'm glad that the polish socialist state is gone. (Though more might come in the future, but it's gone for now) :)

So to summarize in a few words, outstanding work. :goodjob:
 
Depends on what time do you mean - in August 1st 1914 its not too late to save either of the four, though Tsarist Russia was indeed unlikely to survive.

Anyhow, the Kaiser by 1918 was hell-bent on getting compensated in full for all the losses Germany had during the war, and thus pressed impossible terms. I doubt that after Verdun, Wilhelmine Germany, if victorious, could have imposed a peace treaty that would not be much worse then Versailles - in that case, it is doomed ultimately. I think the 1914 victory scenario is rather more interesting... especially a NES about the WWII I predicted there, with Britain, USA, Russia and Japan against Germany, China (a much stronger China then in OTL, I suspect - because its rather not hard...) and a large amount of European nations (1914 victory would probably have cofnirmed Germany as an European hegemon and created a German-dominated "European Union", most probably with France, Habsburg Hungary and some others).

But I'll expound on that later...
 
100,000 BCE:

Or somewhere thereabouts. The location would be Mauritius, in the Southern OTL Indian Ocean.

In OTL, a butterfly flapped it’s wings.

In this one, a dragonfly accidentally smashed into the butterfly before it took flight, and the ensuing chaos changed history forever...

Some 98,000 years later:

Through an unusual series of climactic changes, the year 1,987 BCE (though it would never be known as such) was an unusually good one for the people of the Indus valley...

The waters were good, and though there were a few floods, nothing truly serious happened. Rainfall still came with the monsoons, and it was absorbed well enough by the area, especially after some enterprising person had decided it was better to let the trees grow back and *then* cut them down, rather than cutting them all down at once. This event (triggered by a certain event 98,000 years passed) ensured that the topsoil remained in place, for the most part, and that the Indus valley was still fertile.

What did this affect? Not much, really... But the so called Harappan civilization not only survived that year, they did the next. And the next and the next. That Event-which-shall-not-be-named certainly did a lot in that respect...

So for hundreds of years, the trading ships still went back and forth between the land of “Soomir” (as the people of the Indus valley called it) and “Mecchlan” (as the people of the Euphrates river called their Indus counterparts), and the gold kept flowing. In any case, as the years went by, not much of true difference happened that differed from a history you might know.

Certainly, Ur was richer than their counterparts in OTL. As were the rest of the Sumerian cities, but Ur especially. And this helped the Babylonian and Assyrian conquests reach just a little further afield than they did in OTL, which led to a rather minor naval conflict between the people of Minos and the people of Tyre. But in this area, it didn’t do much. Yet.

Back in India, one would certainly notice differences between OTL and this world by 1500 BCE. Skirmishes were fought against a certain people who spoke an interesting language and practiced an interesting religion, but on the whole, the city states of the Indus were unaffected by this, though the religion of Hind soon grew to gain a certain acceptance here.

Meanwhile, the various city states still quarreled, sending feelers all over the place; certainly they were inextricably linked by a commercial system, but they were by no means really united; if there had been any union, it was long lost in the people’s memories.

The city states continued to send out their expansion parties, and soon the Indus civilization was spread everywhere from the Ganges to the Amu Darya. Slowly, some of the city states began to gain a greater power base than the others, slowly but surely, their feelers were sent out.

Meanwhile, the Babylonians were surpassed by the Medians who were having a dispute with a certain people called the Persians. Typical westerners.

Back to more important things...

c. 598 BCE, or, as it would be known in this timeline, 1 RR.

In the first year of the reign of Rajarajan II, local tyrant of Mohenjo Daro, things began to change. The ruler was different from his father... smarter, braver. Make no mistake, the rulers of the local kingdoms weren’t stupid; they had to be moderately intelligent to survive in the era of backstabbing and treachery of Indus politics. But they were by no means brilliant. He was.

The first indications of something different occurred when an army began to be drilled in a mountain fortress in the Hindu Kush. On the whole, it wasn’t that suspicious, but it did raise some eyebrows, and the other states around Mohenjo Daro prepared for war.

Barely anyone knew when he struck, at first, for it was against a minor stronghold in the Hindu Kush. But it was quickly overrun, and he marched south, south to destiny.

The army of Mohenjo Daro reached the Indian Ocean (coincidentally, that’s what it’s called in this timeline as well) roughly in the year 593 BCE. Rajarajan then looped east, smashing the armies of the port cities one by one as he secured them, moving back up the river, and arriving triumphantly in his capital of Mohenjo Daro as conqueror of a dozen other city states all at once.

And then he disappeared for a year, leaving his wife as a regent and half his army to guard the city. Rather odd, most people thought it, but it was no longer considered odd when the news arrived that the far, far western coastal city of Sutkagen Dor, and the far, far eastern city of Lothal were subjugated, along with all the territory in between them and Mohenjo Daro. Suddenly the southern flanks of the newly wrought empire were secure, and Rajarajan built up his army more than ever.

Soon his force of well over thirty thousands marched north, north to an empire. Kalibangan, Harappa, and Ruhur were the most powerful states in the north, and with a good forty thousand men of their own, plus some ten thousand from the mountain clans on their right flank and ten thousand from Kura on their left, they felt secure even from the greatest of the conquerors. However, when the armies joined, it soon became clear that the superior training and armament of the Mohenjo Daro forces were making up for this easily, and after a night’s resting, the battle commenced again for a second day. It was then that Rajarajan led a gallant cavalry charge from his left flank, smashing the allied right, and suddenly the mountain clans were pledging allegiance to the Emperor in the midst of battle. With a good sixth of their army suddenly turning on them, a flank disintegrated, and five thousand of Mohenjo Daro’s best cavalry in their rear, a number of the allies reconsidered the whole affair.

As quick as that, the allied army broke and fled, and on the Field of Proven Blood as it would come to be known, fifty more minor city states pledged their allegiance... and with the wealth and armies of these new cities, the major cities of the north were subdued as well.

The other forty years of Rajarajan’s reign were spent organizing the empire, and making it orderly enough that, unlike other tyrant’s petty holdings, this empire would last. It would be his successor, an equally able king and commander, known as Bhoj, who was to complete the union of the Indus Empire, and face a new, greater threat from the west...

OOC: You can be certain this timeline will progress much farther than a paltry 99,500 years...
 
no offense, but did you do this instead of your update? :(

EDIT: Not really sure how a stronger unified Harappan Empire would change history... but then i barely know anything about india...
 
Here's a couple i've thought of, and the first one i claim NESing rights to, since i even came up with a title for it.

1. The New World Order

In the 1970s and 1980s all three of the world's greatest powers, the Soviet Union, the United States, and the People's Republic of China all suffered great upheavels from which they could not recover. In the USSR, the economy could not afford the massive military and the neglect of the people. When Gorbechav attempted to make the nation mroe democratic and open, things came to a collape and Soviet Republic after Soviet republic broke away from the USSR as it all came crashing down, with the climax being the tearing down of the Berlin Wall in 1991.

The United States also had a problem with the arms buildup foolishly begun by President Reagan. In addition, the civil rights movement in the 60s and 70s came to a halt as Jim Crow and racail hatred continued to make the American South a nasty place to live. Other minorities also found themselves under suspicion and oppression. in 1992, with the election of pro-segregation nominee Bill Clinton, riots broke out everywhere and mob rule became law. Though state governments mantained controlled in less segregated and racially diverse states out in the Mid West, the South and the Eastern and Western seaboards fell under the control of local mob warlords.

After the collapse of the US and the USSR it seemed for a time that China may fill the superpower gap in global society. However with nearly a complete collapse of global trade and the ensuing new Depression, the army attempted a coup and then suddenly found themselves fighting eachother once more. In less than 50 years China had returned to the control of the warlords.

In this post-Cold War world, Europe, under the lead of the Europeon Iron Coalition in western Europe and the resurging British power, seems to be posed to enter the world stage once more as a superpower. However, the Pacific nations of Austrialia and Japan remain at odds and with Japan's new military build up with modern technology seem to be heading for an imminent war. The old system of several nations with nuclear weapons has been blown away. Any government with any control whatsoever can now buy nukes on the world market from the factions in the former US, USSR, or PRC. With the absence of order, the world seems to be even more on the brink of destruction than it had merely 50 years before.

2. based off the book 1901

In 1901 the German Empire invaded the United States due to the American refusal to cede the newly acquired islands taken from Spain in the Spainish-American War. Landing in Manhattan, the Germans proceeded to wage a year-long war on American soil, leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths on both sides. The war was finally won by the combination of American naval success and the slow attrition of lost supplies to the German Imperial Army. In the early part of 1902, the German capitalists oversaw a coup which installed the newly rich industrialists in firm control of the Riech. They became obsessed with the ideal of a Europeon Empire, one of which would dominate the continent and one day be able to oppose the damned United States and their British allies with a threat that could not be ignored. And so things went on...

In 1914 a war broke out between the united empires of Germany and Austria, now formed into one great nation, and the alliance of France and Russia. The Anglo-American Alliance stayed neutral in the conflict and as such the French and Russian Empires were collapsed.

Now the year is 1936, the German Riech dominated the continent as France is directly ruled by the Channcelor of the Riech and the fledgling USSR is barracaded away from germany through a series of protective nations, such as Finland and the Ukraine. Now the world is gripped by a new threat of war as the Germans and British stare at eachother from across the Channel and it seems that the Americans may once again fight the Germans in a grusome modern war.
 
Not really sure how a stronger unified Harappan Empire would change history... but then i barely know anything about india...

Well, in ITNES as you might have noticed there is a Mohenjo-daro... ;) Though I doubt NK's Mohenjo-daro would invade Persia and vassalize it.

EQ... on the first scenario, I doubt that USA's breakup is possible. Lots of chaos, riots, etc, ala "For All Times", but I doubt that it would fall apart. China is also rather more likely to fall apart along ethnic lines rather then with warlords and stuff - that is, a state in Sinkiang, another in Tibet, maybe something in Yunnan and Manchuria, and what's left divided into communist north and pro-Taiwan south.
The Anglo-American Alliance stayed neutral in the conflict and as such the French and Russian Empires were collapsed.

"Let's look at two unstable nations and a Central European uberempire and how they slowly bleed each other white. Surely Germany-Austria will not become an European hegemon, and even if they do we couldn't give a damn."

Problematically, the British politics were based on a rather opposite note.
 
1745-1800. The Outer World, a.k.a. everything-that-is-not-in-Europe.

As refugees fled the war-ravaged continent, and as political undesirables and petty criminals alike were being deported en masse to the penal colonies, the American colonies of France (for they, due to being so vast and so overadvertised, were the most popular destination amongst the voluntary migrants, whilst the unvoluntary ones mostly came from France itself) experienced much population growth. This, combined with other concers - such as Henri Jaures' expedition into California, where the renowned Frenchman discovered gold, and also the growing pace of Mexican and Russian expansionism for similar reasons (well, Russian expansion into Alaska and nearby regions was mostly caused by fur trade opportunities...) - made France pay an increased amount of attention to the colonies, reorganizing them into the Union of Royal Territories of America (URTA) for more direct administration and fund colonization and expansion. Albeit the French still were comparatively nice towards Amerinds, this reckless expansionism angered many, and something of a guerrila war was fought in 1760s by Cheeseekau, a fierce Muskogee chieftain (who however led numerous other tribes and allied with more still). Anyhow, on paper at least, during this period the northwestern parts of North America were partitioned between Russia, Mexico and France; Mexico came to control the southern half of OTL Alta California, not to mention Bajo, east from there approximately along the Colorado, albeit often further north then the river itself, and east from that towards Brazos in an almost-straight line. This territory was sparsely populated, apart from the Mexican parts of Texas and California. Russian Alaska extended as far east as Grahm River (OTL Mackenzie River) and the west slopes of the Rocky Mountains, whilst the southern border was the Columbia River - naturally, most of that territory was populated by Amerinds who did trade with the Russians, but usually not much else, whilst the only Russian settlements were coastal ones, especially at Gromovoy Island (OTL Vancouver Island). France officially held a vast area north of the Mexican lands and east of the Russian ones; as one might guess, the interior and the far north were mostly populated by small Indian tribes, some of which never heard of France (that is, they heard of "white men" - not much beyond). The main centers of population were North California (OOC: in this world, North California is the official name for all of the French-held Pacific Coast, i.e. it extends all the war to Columbia River), Louisiana, Great Lakes, Ohio Valley, Quebec (i.e. the territory on both sides of St. Lawrence river, though officially much of Quebec peninsula was considered apart of the Royal Territory of Quebec), Acadia and Terreneuve (OTL Newfoundland)... and there was growing dissent, occasionally turning into rebellion, over French rule, or more specifically the degree of control French government had over its colonies here through the URTA Directory. Nouvelle-Orleans, Acadia and Terreneuve, of those populated areas, were the only regions where the overwhelming majority of the population was royal to the king. A major problem with local separatists was lack of coordination; the Nord-Californians hardly cared about what happened in Quebec, for example. But eventually, better-coordinated organizations begun to emerge...

France was an ally of both England, which still held New England, and Carolina, albeit it often had hard time keeping the two away from each other. Carolinans were eventually persuaded to sell back Bahamas, but ofcourse Jamaica was already "the jewel in Carolina's crown". The two countries were united not only by French efforts, though; they also were united in their hatred and fear of Virginia, Holland and Mexico, which for their part were also in an uneasy alliance since 1767. In 1764 and again in 1789, there were major wars between Virginia and Carolina; albeit the Carolinan army, especially when reinforced by France (but that hardly was neccessary) was far better then the Virginian one, Virginia for its part had a well-trained militia which fought textbook guerrila campaigns every time the homeland was invaded. Habsburg Mexico, meanwhile, had no such militias; instead, the Mexicans organized light cavalry out of borderland rancheros and applied Sikorskian strategy of harassment, whilst imitating Sikorsky almost to a letter in other fields of military organization as well - conscript armies combined with the Imperial Guardsmen were used well at Corpus Christi, crushing an invading French army in 1766.

In South America... well, the last vestiges of Spanish rule were removed. The radical Grenadine Republic in Gran Colombia now (since the Grenadine Revolution of 1776) coexisted with the Second Incan Empire of Peru (actually it was just as, if not more, Creole as Amerind; it was a limited divine monarchy, which can be rather confusing), whilst the UJPLP, or just the UJP (United Jesuit Provinces), was suffering from racial and ethnic problems, as the Spaniards querreled with "old natives", mostly Guaranis, who for their part querreled with newly-"integrated" natives, mostly Araucanians, and migrants who came there to enjoy the prosperity, freedom and peace, and who got little of the latter at least.

In North Africa, the Great Turkish War (see below and also the European part) marked the downfall of Ottoman power west of Egypt... this was immediately exploited by Portugal, France and Rome. Portugal took over (the independant from even earleir then the GTW, but ravaged first by the independance war and then by the civil war) Morocco, France seized Algiers and Romans, as a part of the main war effort, gained Tunisia, Tripolitania and Cyreneica, and nearly got Egypt as well if not for the Franco-Swedish protests (Sweden feared Romans gaining the vast resources of Egypt, France feared that too but mostly was concerned with the degree of power attained by Rome in the Mediterranean lately). Generally, Portugal was undergoing a period of revival, this time concentrating on expansion in Africa. Colonial forts were built on Madagascar and in Namibia, trade posts and missionary centers appeared all over the Congo region and in the Horn ofAfrica, more trade outposts in West Africa were set up to use local slave trade, and from the recently-"acquired" Canary Islands the Portuguese expanded their rule not only into Morocco Proper, but also into its long-abandoned southern provinces... This vigorous colonial effort proved quite worth it, and solved the overpopulation problems in Portuguese Brazil. Holland also advanced somewhat from Sudafrika, fighting and winning three Xhosa Wars, and also Mozambik (OTL Mozambique) was used as a base for further expeditions into East Africa, establishing good trade relations with local Swahili city states.

The collapse, in 1749, of the vast Afghan Empire created numerous opportunities for many powers. Before we look at the consequences in India, the consequences in Persia are also worth noting. With the fall of the Afghans, the last strong power in Persia, the power vacuum that appeared was used by Russia and Holland; whilst the former invaded the warring Persian and Afghan states from Turkemistan and also from across the Caspian Sea, the latter seized Bander Abbas and converted it into a significant naval base. As in 1754 the Great Turkish War begun, the Russian forces finished unifying Persia (basically putting it under various local puppet rulers and declaring protectorates) and moved on to invade Turkish Iraq and Aizerbadjan, whilst another offensive came in Georgia; the logistics prevented the Russians from advancing as far as they hoped, but much progress was made and through treachery Iraq was "acquired", though after the war it became independant under the same Georgian Mameluke governors (OOC: yes, Georgian. They were semi-autonomous in OTL, so...). Aizerbadjan and Caucasus, however, were annexed and kept as parts of Russia's newest province; after the GTW, much Russian troops and funds would be used to keep order in Persia and to utilize its ports well, to consolidate the great province and to make sure that no matter what, it doesn't slip. And so far, it didn't albeit the 1781 Shiite rebellion was very close. Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire, having lost many lands, including Hejjaz and al-Hasa to native rulers (and afterwards they lost it to the rising Muwahhid/Wahhabi empire, which united much of Arabia during late 18th century), tried to pull itself together once more, and Osman III energetically partook in reforms, inviting Swedish advisors and building a worthy fleet, whilst cracking down hard on corruption and lawlessness; needless to say, such opressive measures provoked righteous revolts that were barely put down, but Osman III refused to abandon his line, by 1800 Ottoman Empire, though still a secondary if not tertiary power, was beginning to catch up on the Europeans.

Chaos that reigned in Arabia in the wake of the Wars of Muwahhid Ascendancy allowed Holland to capture Muscat.

In India, Holland continued to grow in power. The inland Ceylonese kingdom of Kandy was crushed, Dutch power was extended, directly or through proxy rulers, into Bengal... Holland was strong, and thus it was envied. France, and the weakened England and Portugal, supported the rising Marathans to best of their ability - with arms, funds and specialists. This allowed said Marathas to actually fight the Dutch into a stalemate in the First Dutch-Marathan War of 1776-1782, and after that the Dutch had no choice but to do what their opponents were doing for Marathas, only this time for the natural enemies of Maratha - Mysore and Sikh Gujarat. There were a few other, smaller states in India, but they were either vassals of the Marathas, either those of their enemies, or perhaps they were the ever-neutral Nepalese.

The growing rivalry between Holland and China was quite noticeable, and it prevented them from defeating the rising Siam when they could have done that easily. Whilst the chaos of Northern Burma was replaced by Chinese provincial administration, the Siamese grabbed far more valuable northern Malay lands. As Holland solidified its power over East Indies, most significantly Sumatra where the defiant city of Atjeh has been captured after a few days of siege and assault, Siam built up a fleet to threaten Holland's power. And with the natives under Dutch rule increasingly restless, French-backed Siam now was a very serious threat...

Oh, and in 1792, the port of Australville (OTL Dampier) was established by shipwrecked Frenchmen; soon enough, it became a significant base for French-supported anti-Dutch pirates.
 
Holland employs native troops en masse; besides, their parts of India are not very large, though densely-populated, mostly some coastal trade outposts (alright - LOTS of coastal trade outposts, some of them significant), Ceylon (which they mostly held on to in OTL) and Bengal. IMHO they should be able to hold on to that... at first, anyway. After all, they did held on to Indonesia in OTL - their real power, not unlike with OTL Britain, lies in the fleet (its not very large, but it has very good ships and disciplined crews) and the administrators. Sweden is also holding on to Germany mostly with Czech and central German troops. Needless to say, Sweden-Germany will likely have many problems in early 19th century...
 
EQ, China wouldn't reall fall back into warlordisd due to the collaspe of global trade and depression as you state it because to the small fact that Communists China didn't have a lot of trading going on, plus thanks to Communism the army would never attempt a coup. A depression would have little affect on the political power of the Chinese Communsits Party. They kept power as millions of people starved in the cultural revolution, a depression would have been easier to control.
 
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