Coronavirus 3: The Resurgence

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There's already enough non-meat protein supply.

yes, but at the expense of the environment and climate.
And also causing regional and national dependencies.

Do mind also that our soil is getting exhausted and our vegetable food no longer contains the same amount of minerals and micro-nutrients it had on wholesome soil.
We need to eat more to get the same amount of nutrients. Even traditional natural vegetable food is already for a part empty calories.

Here in Dutch some foods that show of some nutrients the decreased content in food between 1985 and 2002.for crops grown on the cold ground (no greenhouses) in the Netherlands.
The sting is that the general stance that eating a varied diet is good enough is getting eroded if our crops do not get varied "food".
From that list for example Broccoli only has 27% Calcium in 2002 compared to in 1985.
Traditional bulk fertilisers are not aimed at feeding the full spectrum needed for good food, but are aimed at speeding up growth for a higher weight yield of crops. The soil gets therefore depleted.

Bonen = beans
Aardappelen = potatoes
Wortelen = carrots
Spinazie = spinach
Appel = apple
Aardbeien = strawberries
Foiliumzuur = Folic acid.

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And here below a map of the Netherlands showing that most agricultural area is by now depleted and re-allocating of farming necessary.
This is BTW being planned in a big style for a multi-decade plan whereby agriculture will be moved to the good soils and the rest of the agriculture will be stopped (farmers to be bought out) and the bad soils will be converted in national parks.
The re-allocations of agricultural areas also planned in a way to minimise the pesticide and also Nitrogen load to surrounding national parks. Simply by concentrating agricultural areas together with national parks not bordering to agriculture.
When meat consumption goes down from livestock we will need far less soil and concentrating is possible.
BUT that is only buying time if mass mono culture agriculture continues and soil depletion is only shifted to fresh or less depleted soil.
This is also adressed on paper by new methods of crop rotation and using crops that are better for the soil. The optimal use would be to have all kinds of crops mixed on the soil which would need robot harvesting instead of the current mechanised harvesting forcing mono-cultures. The crucial factor is managing your bacteria and organisms IN the soil.
Sounds perhaps utopian but the university of Wageningen in the Netherlands is the best university there is in the world for agriculture and food security and we are used in the Netherlands to make 50 year deep plans with dikes and polders.
For many fast growing vegetables and some herbs multi-layer greenhouses will be the best way for climate, environment and healthy nutrient composition.

The dark blue the depleted grass areas (for cows) and the light blue the yet ok grass areas.
The dark red the depleted crops areas and the light red the yet ok soil.
As you can see we are going to get lots of new national parks and forests during this century.

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Today, South Australia recorded its first new cases of coronavirus since May 26 after three recent arrivals from India tested positive.
I think our murderous wildlife kills the virus before it can get close to humans.
 
hmpft , no zombies expected , even if am this Mila Jovovich fan . lnstead of becoming god on earth , Trump becomes an official clown without the prestige of Whitey Homey , following New Turkey traditions and all , and of course it is an insult to imagine any response could be dat quick against the brilliance of the concept of this wonder of a pandemic . And yet it is already half a million deaths .
 
So next wave is coming? How many more waves will be ?

I actually start to believe Sweden method of "fighting" this virus is best. Untill enough people get immunity, the waves wont stop.

The rest of the US is experiencing the first wave in earnest.

The second wave might come in actuality by late autumn, winter for the coastal US.

I think there will be three, or four. A long second from late 2020 to middling 2021, then another in late 2021, and hopefully ww2 level of production of a vaccine snuffs it out. Small flare ups since then but nothing major.
 
There's already enough non-meat protein supply.
So then what are we doing? Parts of the world still have protein insufficiency in their diet, so there must be overconsumption elsewhere or we're just throwing it away uneaten (which I know happens to food in general already).
 
our Guv said Friday masks will be required. I assume that means for shopping but 'public places' could include city and county parks and the 4th is this Saturday. She's giving localities some leeway, probably the smart thing to do. Cases are on the rise God be praised. I shouldn't blame the religious folk. Funny, its usually the religious folk blaming calamities on the sinners.
 
So then what are we doing? Parts of the world still have protein insufficiency in their diet, so there must be overconsumption elsewhere or we're just throwing it away uneaten (which I know happens to food in general already).

The former. There's a net world protein overconsumption of 84%, compared to a Calorie overconsumption of only 8%. If we immediately eliminated meat, dairy and fish from human consumption, there'd still be protein overconsumption of 14%. (And that's not taking into account that we could double the human protein available by ceasing to feed human-edible foods to animals.)

Current global food production is sufficient to meet human nutritional needs in 2050 provided there is radical societal adaptation
 
The governor’s office said that most Kansans will have to wear masks in stores, shops, restaurants and places where people cannot maintain a 6-foot distance. More details about the ordinance will be released on Thursday.

Our guv and former guv Kathleen Sebellius of Obamacare were playing golf behind us about 3 weeks ago.
 
0 cases today. Had to import some to try and keep up. MNZGA!!!!!!
 
The former. There's a net world protein overconsumption of 84%, compared to a Calorie overconsumption of only 8%. If we immediately eliminated meat, dairy and fish from human consumption, there'd still be protein overconsumption of 14%. (And that's not taking into account that we could double the human protein available by ceasing to feed human-edible foods to animals.)

Current global food production is sufficient to meet human nutritional needs in 2050 provided there is radical societal adaptation
You're making a good point about animal feed because I didn't know whether the production of animal feed is counted as general food production or not.
I also already know about our vast overproduction of food. I live in a country with chronic malnutrition even though it produces food for about 10 times its population and could more-or-less safely raise it by half as much if given time and investment.
As for actual overconsumption of certain nutrients by humans, could this have anything to do with the prevalence of certain diseases there? I still remember our beloved Presidentess™ proclaiming rampant child diabetes to be a good thing because it was a disease characteristic of rich countries.
 
Do mind also that our soil is getting exhausted and our vegetable food no longer contains the same amount of minerals and micro-nutrients it had on wholesome soil. We need to eat more to get the same amount of nutrients.

Perhaps the solution is to add minerals to that plastic, that gets everywhere?

I have also read reports that the development of less bitter vegetables to meet customer
preferences is often achieved by selecting out variants with less of the beneficial nutients.
I.e. modern broccoli and cabbage is less bitter so more palatable but less healthy.
 
Perhaps the solution is to add minerals to that plastic, that gets everywhere?

Well.. we had before the plastic revolution clay to make pottery. And IIRC chalk is added to many plastic bags as filler to make the sheet thicker for a more comfortable feel of customers (the chalk not needed for strenght).
But no, no minerals from plastics. Though the future of plastics will be bio-plastics that are bio-degradable by standard bacteria available in nature and soil. Within a decade the PET bottles will be of that kind.
Biggest problem of plastics in environment anyway the small thin fibres from our clothes coming in our sewers and environment after we wash them. Cotton, wool, linen, etc or modern bio-degradable bio-fibers should be forced by regulations.

I am still waiting for a disease that is triggered by our current generation of plastic fibres. We have meanwhile like other organism loads of these small fibres in our lungs and body.

I have also read reports that the development of less bitter vegetables to meet customer
preferences is often achieved by selecting out variants with less of the beneficial nutients.
I.e. modern broccoli and cabbage is less bitter so more palatable but less healthy.

yes... we cultivated many crops in order to have less poisons or less bitter micro-nutrients in them.
But as you can see from the numbers in the posted list, we also lose the natural amount of minerals. And for sure not only Calcium and Magnesium.
The only natural way out there is to recycle the minerals we eat into the soil again. Not anymore dumping those minerals through our sewer systems in the sea.

Will be interesting to see how the global community handles this all.
The conservatives just trying to uphold the status quo systems, whether those conservatives are existing farmers and corporate in the food industry or romantic conservatives of the unsustainable farming methods of the second half of the 20th century.
The FAO has stated clearly that on average the global soil areas have a capacity of 60 harvests to go.
The topsoil because of plowing being blown away by the wind directly to the sea or blown first to lower ground and transported by rain and rivers to the sea. And meanwhile the mineral depletion. And on top the decreasing diversity of organism making a good soil.
In terms of pandemic diseases it is not only Covid that is challenging us. It is also Climate and Environment.
If the last two challenges are going to hit... most of our principled and ideological discussions will be rife for the dust bin, unless they contribute to solving these two challenges.
It will become as primitive and brutal as during a fall-out period.

It all reminds me very much of the early 70ies.
The sitting politicians and elite of the movements were very busy with everything except the basics of the welfare state and the basics of Climate and Environment. The economical crisis of the 70ies not helpfull except for the neo-liberal corporate cluster.
No proper balancing of priorities with consideration of long term. Whether in knowledge build up or resource allocation.
 
NTL Biologica are offering mobile COVID-19 antibody tests near me using an automated fluorescent immunoassay to quantitatively identify the concentration of COVID-19 specific IgM and IgG antibodies. It costs £45 and takes about 10 minutes. I am not at all convinced it of very much value, as the false negative but more importantly the false positive rate is sure to be unknown and is probably fairly high. However I am very tempted.
[EDIT] This is what they give for false positive and false negative rate, it looks pretty good and I think I will go for it.
 
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Feeling a bit sick (like a mild flu/cold) so I went to get tested today. I sat on the same chair that all the other people sat on and had to take off my mask, breathing the same air that they breathed (and we know that it can stick around in the air). Was that dangerous? I'd not like to get negative test results but actually have it because of the test itself.
 
Calcium and magnesium are both abundant in the crust.
They could grind up dolomite and scatter that where needed.

I was half joking about adding minerals to plastic.

Understand :)

I would replace sprinkled dolomite by burned sewage sludge and recycle more properly.

As well there are arguments that for several minerals and vitamins it is much cheaper and convenient to supply those (partially) by a cheap supplement pill or so than try to upgrade your crops. Iodine a traditional example mostly added in bread. But still tricky. When for example someone only eats cereals and home made bread, you must now also think about using iodine containing salt for your bread.

But the most simple way for the end-customer (and citizen) is wholesome food for your crops delivering wholesome natural food on your table, all in a full loop recycled sustainable soil system without pesticides.
The techs for that are partially there, and R&D goes fast enough.
Bio-eco farms with direct selling to citizens not only nice for both parties involved, but also a strong pressure tool on the commercial "middle men".
And nothing wrong with the traditional small vegetable gardens in parks for urban people. Were already there in medieval time around Dutch towns, were part of the socialist associations wave around 1900 for the strong urban population growth. And still popular as primitive summer-weekend dwelling.

The real problem is the status quo defense of the vested interests in food producing. And our medical industry rather sells treatments than prevention. And fear induced supplements selling just another business with still high profits (on the latest hypes).
It is typical an area where change initiated by the public good is needed.
Whereby all kinds of faith constructs around "authentic" farmers need to be "solved".
 
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Feeling a bit sick (like a mild flu/cold) so I went to get tested today. I sat on the same chair that all the other people sat on and had to take off my mask, breathing the same air that they breathed (and we know that it can stick around in the air). Was that dangerous? I'd not like to get negative test results but actually have it because of the test itself.

The room is suppose to be sanitized between teach test which takes approx 10 min if the correct procedures are followed
Drive through testing by SKorea is the best option since you remain in the vehicle at all times and you receive your test result within 10-15mins then your on your way.
 
Yuge Success, Record numbers, biggly numbers, much winning
Dont worry Trump is going to slow down the testing. /s

Learning by urinating onto the electrical fence, what is the estimate number of deaths going to be because of this ? 250K total dead ?

Single-Day Record for 4th Time in a Week
  • The United States announced more than 46,000 coronavirus infections, the most of any day of the pandemic.
  • Officials in eight states — Alaska, Arizona, California, Georgia, Idaho, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Texas — also announced single-day highs.
  • In parts of the Midwest, the numbers are rising again, too. Here’s the latest.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/world/coronavirus-updates.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage#commentsContainer
 
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