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Top New York prosecutor says 280 people arrested at campus protests; independent review into UCLA violence – as it happened
Alvin Bragg does not confirm reports of “outside agitators” infiltrating student-led protests; University of California orders review of lack of policing
Tension grows on UCLA campus as police order dispersal of large pro-Palestinian gathering
About 300 people were arrested in crackdowns on pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University and City College, New York's mayor says.
apnews.com
A BBC reporter on the radio who was at UCLA notes that tear-gas and fireworks were thrown, possibly by counter-protesters. He heard some people shouting "USA, USA." He says the tear-gas was thrown before police even arrived, so it wasn't the police. He also thinks the counter-protesters were not themselves students.
In addition to the fighting at UCLA and the arrests at Columbia University in New York, the Guardian article notes more arrests of protesters at City College of New York and Tulane University in New Orleans, and that police fired rubber bullets and 'non-lethal' chemical weapons at protestors at the University of Arizona, Tucson.
The Washington Post says there were 539 protests in April, of which 150 drew police. They count 1,200 arrests.
Are U.S. Baby-Boomers experiencing a glitch in The Matrix?
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Came here to post about just this
www.aljazeera.com
Of course no one is going talking about the actually violent counter-protesters
Israel supporters attack anti-war protesters at UCLA
A group of pro-Israel supporters have attacked anti-Gaza war protesters at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Of course no one is going talking about the actually violent counter-protesters
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Came here to post about just this
Israel supporters attack anti-war protesters at UCLA
A group of pro-Israel supporters have attacked anti-Gaza war protesters at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Of course no one is going talking about the actually violent counter-protesters
Can confirm, have been on twitter and all of the commentary is on the Columbia occupation
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lol, lmao
Klaus Hergersheimer
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except Hamas began the current war, so they're more of the "pro war" faction here.
Israel is running a close second. Israel's enablers a close third. The civilian population of Gaza, a distant fourth.
Except Israel had been killing Palestinians for months before October 7th, it just doesn't get much coverage.
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The current war began in 1948
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So if a person murders another person, he's still more pro-murder than the people who murder his friends and family in retaliation?
Hamas hasn't even come close to Joshua'ing Israel yet. How can it be that bad if it falls short God-sanctioned methodology?
Current is doing a lot of work in that statement. As Lexi and Gorbles pointed out, the original conflict never really ended, and even the current "phase" was brewing long before 10/7.
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who started the Vietnam War?
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In this article from the Time, President Trump outs himself as possibly the most anti-Israel President in American history.
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Sir, you've been critical of how Israel has prosecuted its war against Hamas. In a recent interview, you said that it needed to “get it over with” and “get back to normalcy.”
Trump: Yeah.
So as President, would you consider withholding American military assistance to Israel to push it to winding down its war?
Trump: Okay. So let me, I have to start just as I did inside. [Asks an aide to turn down the air conditioner.] I don't have to go through the whole thing. But as you know, Iran was broke. Iran is the purveyor of—
No, I know that but would you—
Trump: No, but think of the great job I did. It would have never happened. It would have never happened. You wouldn't have had—Hamas had no money. Do you know that?
I do understand that, sir, I just want to know—
Trump: No, but I hope it can be pointed out. During my term, there were stories that Iran didn't have the money to give to any—there was very little terrorism. We had none. I had four years of—we had no terrorism. We didn't have a World Trade Center knocked down. You know, Bush used to say, “Well, we’ve been a safe country.” I said they knocked down the World Trade Center in the middle of your term. Do you remember that one during the debate? That was a good one. But it was true, very true. But we had no terror during our—and we got rid of ISIS 100%. Now they're starting to come back.
I want to know—you said you want to get Israel to wind down the war. You said it needs to “get it over with.” How are you going to make that happen? Would you consider withholding aid?
Trump: I think that Israel has done one thing very badly: public relations. I don't think that the Israel Defense Fund or any other group should be sending out pictures every night of buildings falling down and being bombed with possibly people in those buildings every single night, which is what they do.
So you won’t rule out withholding or conditioning aid?
Trump: No, I—we have to be. Look, there's been no president that's done what I've done for Israel. When you look at all of the things that I've done, and it starts with the Iran nuclear deal. You know, Bibi Netanyahu begged Obama not to do that deal. I ended that deal. And if they were smart and energetic, other than trying to get Trump, they would have made a deal because they were in bad shape. They should have made a deal with Iran. They didn't prosecute that. They didn't make that deal. But I did Golan Heights.
You did.
Trump: Nobody even thought of Golan Heights. I gave them Golan Heights. I did the embassy and in Jerusalem. Jerusalem became the capital. I built the embassy. I even built the embassy.
Right.
Trump: And it's a beautiful embassy for a lot less money than anybody ever thought possible. And you've heard that. But there's been no president that's done what I've done in Israel. And it's interesting. The people of Israel appreciate it. I have like a 98%—I have the highest approval numbers.
Do you know who doesn’t have a high approval rating right now in Israel, though?
Trump: Bibi.
Yeah. Do you think it's time for him to go?
Trump: Well, I had a bad experience with Bibi. And it had to do with Soleimani, because as you probably know by now, he dropped out just before the attack. And I said, “What's that all about?” Because that was going to be a joint and all of a sudden, we were told that Israel was not doing it. And I was not happy about that. That was something I never forgot. And it showed me something. I would say that what happened on—the October 7 should have never happened.
It happened on his watch.
Trump: No, it happened on his watch. And I think it's had a profound impact on him, despite everything. Because people said that shouldn't have happened. They have the most sophisticated equipment. They had—everything was there to stop that. And a lot of people knew about it, you know, thousands and thousands of people knew about it, but Israel didn't know about it, and I think he's being blamed for that very strongly, being blamed. And now you have the hostage situation—
Has his time passed?
Trump: And I happen to think that on the hostages, knowing something about the enemy, and knowing something about people, I think you have very few hostages left. You know, they talk about all of these hostages. I don't believe these people are able or even wanting to take care of people as negotiations. I don't—I think the hostages are going to be far fewer than people think, which is a very sad thing.
You think you could work better with Benny Gantz than Netanyahu in a second term?
Trump: I think Benny Gantz is good, but I'm not prepared to say that. I haven't spoken to him about it. But you have some very good people that I've gotten to know in Israel that could do a good job.
Do you think—
Trump: And I will say this, Bibi Netanyahu rightfully has been criticized for what took place on October 7.
Do you think an outcome of that war between Israel and Hamas should be a two state solution between Israelis and Palestinians?
Trump: Most people thought it was going to be a two-state solution. I'm not sure a two-state solution anymore is gonna work. Everybody was talking about two states, even when I was there. I was saying, “What do you like here? Do you like two states?” Now people are going back to—it depends where you are. Every day it changes now. If Israel’s making progress, they don't want two states. They want everything. And if Israel's not making progress, sometimes they talk about two-state solution. Two-state solution seemed to be the idea that people liked most, the policy or the idea that people liked above.
Read the Full Transcripts of Donald Trump's Interviews With TIME
”The advantage I have now is I know everybody. I know people. I know the good, the bad, the stupid, the smart.”
Sir, you've been critical of how Israel has prosecuted its war against Hamas. In a recent interview, you said that it needed to “get it over with” and “get back to normalcy.”
Trump: Yeah.
So as President, would you consider withholding American military assistance to Israel to push it to winding down its war?
Trump: Okay. So let me, I have to start just as I did inside. [Asks an aide to turn down the air conditioner.] I don't have to go through the whole thing. But as you know, Iran was broke. Iran is the purveyor of—
No, I know that but would you—
Trump: No, but think of the great job I did. It would have never happened. It would have never happened. You wouldn't have had—Hamas had no money. Do you know that?
I do understand that, sir, I just want to know—
Trump: No, but I hope it can be pointed out. During my term, there were stories that Iran didn't have the money to give to any—there was very little terrorism. We had none. I had four years of—we had no terrorism. We didn't have a World Trade Center knocked down. You know, Bush used to say, “Well, we’ve been a safe country.” I said they knocked down the World Trade Center in the middle of your term. Do you remember that one during the debate? That was a good one. But it was true, very true. But we had no terror during our—and we got rid of ISIS 100%. Now they're starting to come back.
I want to know—you said you want to get Israel to wind down the war. You said it needs to “get it over with.” How are you going to make that happen? Would you consider withholding aid?
Trump: I think that Israel has done one thing very badly: public relations. I don't think that the Israel Defense Fund or any other group should be sending out pictures every night of buildings falling down and being bombed with possibly people in those buildings every single night, which is what they do.
So you won’t rule out withholding or conditioning aid?
Trump: No, I—we have to be. Look, there's been no president that's done what I've done for Israel. When you look at all of the things that I've done, and it starts with the Iran nuclear deal. You know, Bibi Netanyahu begged Obama not to do that deal. I ended that deal. And if they were smart and energetic, other than trying to get Trump, they would have made a deal because they were in bad shape. They should have made a deal with Iran. They didn't prosecute that. They didn't make that deal. But I did Golan Heights.
You did.
Trump: Nobody even thought of Golan Heights. I gave them Golan Heights. I did the embassy and in Jerusalem. Jerusalem became the capital. I built the embassy. I even built the embassy.
Right.
Trump: And it's a beautiful embassy for a lot less money than anybody ever thought possible. And you've heard that. But there's been no president that's done what I've done in Israel. And it's interesting. The people of Israel appreciate it. I have like a 98%—I have the highest approval numbers.
Do you know who doesn’t have a high approval rating right now in Israel, though?
Trump: Bibi.
Yeah. Do you think it's time for him to go?
Trump: Well, I had a bad experience with Bibi. And it had to do with Soleimani, because as you probably know by now, he dropped out just before the attack. And I said, “What's that all about?” Because that was going to be a joint and all of a sudden, we were told that Israel was not doing it. And I was not happy about that. That was something I never forgot. And it showed me something. I would say that what happened on—the October 7 should have never happened.
It happened on his watch.
Trump: No, it happened on his watch. And I think it's had a profound impact on him, despite everything. Because people said that shouldn't have happened. They have the most sophisticated equipment. They had—everything was there to stop that. And a lot of people knew about it, you know, thousands and thousands of people knew about it, but Israel didn't know about it, and I think he's being blamed for that very strongly, being blamed. And now you have the hostage situation—
Has his time passed?
Trump: And I happen to think that on the hostages, knowing something about the enemy, and knowing something about people, I think you have very few hostages left. You know, they talk about all of these hostages. I don't believe these people are able or even wanting to take care of people as negotiations. I don't—I think the hostages are going to be far fewer than people think, which is a very sad thing.
You think you could work better with Benny Gantz than Netanyahu in a second term?
Trump: I think Benny Gantz is good, but I'm not prepared to say that. I haven't spoken to him about it. But you have some very good people that I've gotten to know in Israel that could do a good job.
Do you think—
Trump: And I will say this, Bibi Netanyahu rightfully has been criticized for what took place on October 7.
Do you think an outcome of that war between Israel and Hamas should be a two state solution between Israelis and Palestinians?
Trump: Most people thought it was going to be a two-state solution. I'm not sure a two-state solution anymore is gonna work. Everybody was talking about two states, even when I was there. I was saying, “What do you like here? Do you like two states?” Now people are going back to—it depends where you are. Every day it changes now. If Israel’s making progress, they don't want two states. They want everything. And if Israel's not making progress, sometimes they talk about two-state solution. Two-state solution seemed to be the idea that people liked most, the policy or the idea that people liked above.
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Still not enough to take that particular distinction away from Jimmy CarterIn this article from the Time, President Trump outs himself as possibly the most anti-Israel President in American history.
Read the Full Transcripts of Donald Trump's Interviews With TIME
”The advantage I have now is I know everybody. I know people. I know the good, the bad, the stupid, the smart.”
Sir, you've been critical of how Israel has prosecuted its war against Hamas. In a recent interview, you said that it needed to “get it over with” and “get back to normalcy.”
Trump: Yeah.
So as President, would you consider withholding American military assistance to Israel to push it to winding down its war?
Trump: Okay. So let me, I have to start just as I did inside. [Asks an aide to turn down the air conditioner.] I don't have to go through the whole thing. But as you know, Iran was broke. Iran is the purveyor of—
No, I know that but would you—
Trump: No, but think of the great job I did. It would have never happened. It would have never happened. You wouldn't have had—Hamas had no money. Do you know that?
I do understand that, sir, I just want to know—
Trump: No, but I hope it can be pointed out. During my term, there were stories that Iran didn't have the money to give to any—there was very little terrorism. We had none. I had four years of—we had no terrorism. We didn't have a World Trade Center knocked down. You know, Bush used to say, “Well, we’ve been a safe country.” I said they knocked down the World Trade Center in the middle of your term. Do you remember that one during the debate? That was a good one. But it was true, very true. But we had no terror during our—and we got rid of ISIS 100%. Now they're starting to come back.
I want to know—you said you want to get Israel to wind down the war. You said it needs to “get it over with.” How are you going to make that happen? Would you consider withholding aid?
Trump: I think that Israel has done one thing very badly: public relations. I don't think that the Israel Defense Fund or any other group should be sending out pictures every night of buildings falling down and being bombed with possibly people in those buildings every single night, which is what they do.
So you won’t rule out withholding or conditioning aid?
Trump: No, I—we have to be. Look, there's been no president that's done what I've done for Israel. When you look at all of the things that I've done, and it starts with the Iran nuclear deal. You know, Bibi Netanyahu begged Obama not to do that deal. I ended that deal. And if they were smart and energetic, other than trying to get Trump, they would have made a deal because they were in bad shape. They should have made a deal with Iran. They didn't prosecute that. They didn't make that deal. But I did Golan Heights.
You did.
Trump: Nobody even thought of Golan Heights. I gave them Golan Heights. I did the embassy and in Jerusalem. Jerusalem became the capital. I built the embassy. I even built the embassy.
Right.
Trump: And it's a beautiful embassy for a lot less money than anybody ever thought possible. And you've heard that. But there's been no president that's done what I've done in Israel. And it's interesting. The people of Israel appreciate it. I have like a 98%—I have the highest approval numbers.
Do you know who doesn’t have a high approval rating right now in Israel, though?
Trump: Bibi.
Yeah. Do you think it's time for him to go?
Trump: Well, I had a bad experience with Bibi. And it had to do with Soleimani, because as you probably know by now, he dropped out just before the attack. And I said, “What's that all about?” Because that was going to be a joint and all of a sudden, we were told that Israel was not doing it. And I was not happy about that. That was something I never forgot. And it showed me something. I would say that what happened on—the October 7 should have never happened.
It happened on his watch.
Trump: No, it happened on his watch. And I think it's had a profound impact on him, despite everything. Because people said that shouldn't have happened. They have the most sophisticated equipment. They had—everything was there to stop that. And a lot of people knew about it, you know, thousands and thousands of people knew about it, but Israel didn't know about it, and I think he's being blamed for that very strongly, being blamed. And now you have the hostage situation—
Has his time passed?
Trump: And I happen to think that on the hostages, knowing something about the enemy, and knowing something about people, I think you have very few hostages left. You know, they talk about all of these hostages. I don't believe these people are able or even wanting to take care of people as negotiations. I don't—I think the hostages are going to be far fewer than people think, which is a very sad thing.
You think you could work better with Benny Gantz than Netanyahu in a second term?
Trump: I think Benny Gantz is good, but I'm not prepared to say that. I haven't spoken to him about it. But you have some very good people that I've gotten to know in Israel that could do a good job.
Do you think—
Trump: And I will say this, Bibi Netanyahu rightfully has been criticized for what took place on October 7.
Do you think an outcome of that war between Israel and Hamas should be a two state solution between Israelis and Palestinians?
Trump: Most people thought it was going to be a two-state solution. I'm not sure a two-state solution anymore is gonna work. Everybody was talking about two states, even when I was there. I was saying, “What do you like here? Do you like two states?” Now people are going back to—it depends where you are. Every day it changes now. If Israel’s making progress, they don't want two states. They want everything. And if Israel's not making progress, sometimes they talk about two-state solution. Two-state solution seemed to be the idea that people liked most, the policy or the idea that people liked above.
Haha, ah yes, History’s Greatest Monster!
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Perfectly normal behaviour from the only democracy in the Middle East
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