[RD] War in Gaza: News Thread

Half of Gaza water sites damaged or destroyed, BBC satellite data reveals​

Hundreds of Gaza's water and sanitation facilities have been damaged or destroyed since Israel began military action against Hamas, satellite analysis by BBC Verify has found.
Damage to a major supplies depot has also severely disrupted repairs.
The lack of clean water and flows of untreated sewage pose a serious threat to health, say aid agencies.
The Israel Defense Forces told the BBC that Hamas cynically exploits civilian infrastructure for terror purposes.
The destruction comes despite Israel's duty to protect critical infrastructure under the rules of war, unless there is evidence sites are being used for military reasons, say human rights lawyers.

Clean water has always been a limited resource in Gaza and the territory has largely relied on a system of boreholes and desalination plants for its supply.
Our analysis found that more than half of these vital facilities have been damaged or destroyed since Israel launched its retaliation in Gaza after Hamas attacked on 7 October.
We also found that four of the six wastewater treatment plants - crucial to preventing the build-up of sewage and the spread of disease - have been damaged or destroyed. The two others have shut down because lack of fuel or other supplies, according to one aid agency.
The plants were among more than 600 water and sanitation facilities that we analysed, using a list of locations provided by Gaza's Coastal Municipalities Water Utility (CMWU).

In one satellite image, of Khan Younis in the south of Gaza, two damaged large water storage tanks can be seen.

The destruction of water and sanitation facilities has led to "disastrous health consequences for the population", said Dr Natalie Roberts, executive director of Medecins Sans Frontieres UK.
"The rates of diarrhoeal disease have gone catastrophically high," she said.
In very severe cases, such disease can kill young children and the vulnerable. Rates of hepatitis A - found in contaminated water and particularly dangerous for pregnant women - are also high, according to the charity.

"This is killing people," Dr Roberts said.
There is a particular spike in disease in Rafah in the south where many Gazans have fled to, Dr Roberts said, and a risk of cholera.
There has been widespread damage to buildings across Gaza since Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October. According to the UN, about 69,000 housing units have been destroyed and a further 290,000 damaged.
Homes are now "very unlikely" to have running water, according to aid workers we spoke to.

BBC satellite analysis​

To carry out this analysis we sought advice from experts at the UN and Human Rights Watch on the best approach.

For each site, we sourced the most recent high resolution satellite imagery and compared each shot with an image taken prior to 7 October.

We then marked a facility as destroyed or damaged if the closest structure to the given co-ordinates appeared to be reduced to rubble, partially collapsed, or showed other signs of damage.
BBC Verify has not distinguished between "destroyed" and "damaged" facilities. This is because without knowing the precise outline of each facility, we cannot say whether it has been partly damaged or completely destroyed.
Water wells usually consist of an underground borehole and electric pump, together with a small control room above ground. However, as the control room is not always visible or easily identifiable we had to rely on analysing the nearest visible buildings when assessing damage.

What we found​

Of the 603 water facilities we analysed, 53% appeared to have been damaged or destroyed since 7 October.
A further 51 facilities were in areas that showed some damage or where solar panels had been removed, but we were unable to determine whether the water facility itself had been damaged so these were not included in our analysis.
The latest available satellite images were acquired in March and April, and our analysis has been ongoing since April.
The majority of sites identified as destroyed or damaged are in northern Gaza or in the area around the southern city of Khan Younis.
At one wastewater facility in Bureij, in the centre of the Strip, solar panels that power the plant had been obliterated and sewage treatment tanks appeared to have algae growing on the surface.

Not all damage is visible from satellite images, so our analysis may have missed some affected facilities. Some sites also may not be fully operational due to a lack of fuel.
For example, the Unicef desalination plant in Deir al-Balah - one of three large seawater facilities in Gaza - can only work at 30% capacity because of lack of fuel, Unicef told the BBC.

With most Gazans now displaced from their homes, and living in tented camps, the build-up of sewage in the streets is even more of a threat.

"The pumps for sewage are not operating and the streets are flooded [with it]," said Muhammad Atallah, who works for the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights.

Damage to a vital maintenance depot​

The conflict has already made water facility repair difficult for Gaza's water authority, but a strike on a key maintenance warehouse has made it harder still.
The building, in the neighbourhood of al-Mawasi, was severely damaged in a missile strike on 21 January. Four people died and 20 others were injured, according to the CMWU.
Monther Shoblaq, the director general of CMWU, told the BBC this warehouse, which acted as a depot for both the CMWU and Unicef, contained more than 2,000 items used for maintenance, and was the heart of the water and sanitation services in Gaza. Its destruction has severely limited CMWU's ability to repair and maintain vital facilities such as water pipelines, he said.

The IDF said the warehouse was not targeted, but that Hamas terrorists operating nearby were struck and "it is possible that parts of the warehouse suffered damage as a result of the strike".
We gave the IDF a sample of five other damaged or destroyed water sites from our analysis. In one case, the IDF denied there had been an air strike, in the four other cases it said Hamas fighters or sites were the actual targets.
"Hamas stores its weapons and ammunition within these civilian structures, constructs terror infrastructure beneath them, and from them, launches its attacks… The IDF is locating and destroying these terror infrastructures, which have been discovered, among other places, in and near the water facilities in question."
Leila Sadat, a special adviser on crimes against humanity at the International Criminal Court, told the BBC that facilities critical to the survival of civilians should be protected unless a military body has some concrete evidence to suggest otherwise.

To assess war actions in terms of legality, you need to consider "the pattern" of those actions, she said.
"You can't just look strike by strike… [t]hey [the IDF] have hit water pipes, tanks, reservoirs, and infrastructure," she said.
"To take out over half of water and sanitation would be very difficult without intentionally doing so. So the pattern is evidence of either a reckless approach to civilian objects or the intentional destruction of them; these were not all mistakes," she added.
In response to our findings, Sara Elizabeth Dill, an international criminal and human rights lawyer, said: "What we are seeing is essentially siege warfare and the total destruction of Gaza, without regard for human life or human decency, or any attempts to comply with international law."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239
 
Did you download it from the onion ?

The Onion seems to produde more realistic news than the mainstrea, media in the US... perhaps this is how it is going in the White House?

It's finishing off satire by going past it.

Honestly it’s probably time we started countenancing the notion that Bibi will survive the war just fine and that he and his guys will still be stomping around till well after the next election. I’m sure many of the English language stories attempting to emphasize The Problem With Bibi are in the big picture a rationalizing attempt at winning the temporary approval of liberals who really just don’t want to feel personally responsible for genocide. Albeit there’s still not a clear road to who could really replace him, or how.

Netanyahu will politically survive a while past the war. The (foreign) attempt to pin the war on him doesn't work politically against him within Israel because the war is supported by most israelis.

It will be after the war, with Israel crumbling, that he'll be undone. Israel won't be destroyed by this war, as in militarily. It can (and eventually will, I'm guessing a couple months more) quit it. But will not recover from it, socially or economically or even militarily. The region has changed, Israel itself also. It's downwards to extinction as a country: the colonial outpost will be dumped and gradually evicted.

Hamas accelerated the process but looking at the scenario I think their impatience was unfortunate for the palestinians. They sould have waited for a couple years of further weakening of the US. There was no real risk of the saudis and others getting really into bed with the zionists: countries have interests not friends and interests were converging to put an end to Israel's wrecking of the region. Israel's capacity for mass murder depends fully on the US and ends with its terminal decline as a global power. There will be no replacement sugar daddy for Israel. No ones has any interests aligned with its, which are hostile towards pretty much everyone in their region. And no one outside the region is set to replace the US in having an interest in wrecking it.
They sould have changed their interests, abandoned the virulet zionist nationalism for a "greater Israel", made peace while they still had their patron. Even if the patron didn't want that (it didn't). That path has closed now.
 
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This is probably true, because the Israeli people favor a hostile, occupation stance towards the Palestinians. However, this is not mutually exclusive with the fact that Netanyahu is using the current invasion and October 7th to sustain the momentum for keeping himself, personally in power. So while the overall posture towards the Palestinians may not change long-term, regardless of who theoretically replaced Netanyahu, I think its a little myopic to essentially excuse Netanyahu's blatant, intentional, self-serving, perpetuation of the current violence, as "inevitable" based on some general condemnation of Israel as a whole. Its perfectly possible to condemn Netanyahu individually while also criticizing Israel's longterm policy towards Palestine.

I'm occasionally fascinated by what often appears to be some sort of effort to insist that criticizing Netanyahu individually is some sort of liberal Western, etc., plot. I'm not sure whether its just virtue-signaling, or something else... but for my part, I've been saying since the beginning that I thought Netanyahu was manipulating the situation to his political advantage and you've been pointing out that Netanyahu's hardline stance towards Palestine is reflected by the majority of Israeli's and would probably continue under any new regime. My point is that both things can be true simultaneously. That shouldn't excuse Netanyahu and ignoring/downplaying his personal role would be missing the woods through the trees.
Well yeah, blaming Netanyahu is an out for everybody else. Personally, I'm fascinated by the people who are very confident that they know that Netanyahu is in trouble and managing to just keep himself in power, when they can't explain anything about the last Israeli election or the previous government. Such people are out there, somewhere.
 

Biden warns U.S. will stop sending weapons to Israel if Netanyahu orders attack on Rafah​

Washington prefers 'no major combat' in southern Gaza city, defence secretary says

U.S. President Joe Biden on Wednesday publicly warned Israel for the first time that the U.S. would stop supplying it weapons if Israeli forces make a major invasion of Rafah, a refugee-packed city in southern Gaza.

"I made it clear that if they go into Rafah ... I'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with Rafah, to deal with the cities — that deal with that problem," Biden said in an interview with CNN.

Biden's comments represent his strongest public language to date in his effort to deter an Israeli assault on Rafah while underscoring a growing rift between the U.S. and its strongest ally in the Middle East.

Biden acknowledged Israel has used U.S. weapons to kill civilians in Gaza, where it has mounted a seven-month-long offensive aimed at annihilating Palestinian militant group Hamas.

"Civilians have been killed in Gaza as a consequence of those bombs and other ways in which they go after population centres," Biden said when asked about 2,000-pound bombs sent to Israel.
Seems like this is some of what folks criticizing the US/Biden have been calling for... I'm skeptical that it will make any difference in the criticism... not that I'm particularly confident that the warning will be followed through with actually cutting Israel off anyway ... but the US was going to have to increase pressure at some point, or continue to lose face/credibility.
 
It's so painfully incremental but it does at least show the west isn't completely immutable. Might take years to substantially shift at this rate, though,.
 
It's so painfully incremental but it does at least show the west isn't completely immutable. Might take years to substantially shift at this rate, though,.
One of the numerous determining factors will be whether the US/Biden will actually make good on the warning. Some of the weapons Congress just approved for Israel are currently being held up as part of the US effort to stop/delay/influence the Israeli invasion of Gaza. So the US has demonstrated a couple things, on brand for the image/role that the US has tried to maintain vis-a-vis Israel... First and foremost, that the US is ready and able to continue to be Israel's weapons supplier. This is a critical source of US leverage on Israel, and is the easier step, because it is essentially status quo. The second part is the more difficult... to establish that the US is ready and able to halt, delay or otherwise reduce weapons delivery to Israel, as a response to Israel failing to comply with US pressure/demands/requests.

Biden seems to finally be willing to take some action on that second component. Republicans are already complaining that they passed a military aid package to Israel and how dare Biden hold it up to influence Israeli military action. This places another significant factor in play. It seems unlikely that if elected, Trump would be inclined to take even these "painfully incremental" steps in terms of military aid to Israel... so the question is whether voters who want the US to put this kind of pressure on Israel and have been vowing to oppose Biden on that basis, will actually reverse course and resign themselves to support Biden in response to this recent change in position.
 
I cynically suspect that this is all for domestic political reasons. Regardless of who wins the American presidential election support for Israel will increase after November.

Its also true that Israel could bomb and shell Rafah to rubble without sending in any troops.
 
One of the numerous determining factors will be whether the US/Biden will actually make good on the warning. Some of the weapons Congress just approved for Israel are currently being held up as part of the US effort to stop/delay/influence the Israeli invasion of Gaza. So the US has demonstrated a couple things, on brand for the image/role that the US has tried to maintain vis-a-vis Israel... First and foremost, that the US is ready and able to continue to be Israel's weapons supplier. This is a critical source of US leverage on Israel, and is the easier step, because it is essentially status quo. The second part is the more difficult... to establish that the US is ready and able to halt, delay or otherwise reduce weapons delivery to Israel, as a response to Israel failing to comply with US pressure/demands/requests.

Biden seems to finally be willing to take some action on that second component. Republicans are already complaining that they passed a military aid package to Israel and how dare Biden hold it up to influence Israeli military action. This places another significant factor in play. It seems unlikely that if elected, Trump would be inclined to take even these "painfully incremental" steps in terms of military aid to Israel... so the question is whether voters who want the US to put this kind of pressure on Israel and have been vowing to oppose Biden on that basis, will actually reverse course and resign themselves to support Biden in response to this recent change in position.
I would stipulate that, like with many other things in his fragile existence, Joe Biden does not have the least idea of what he's doing. Apparently the weapons shipment were of precision guided weapons which would probably kill fewer civilians than unguided bombs [comparatively], which Biden approved of...until someone told him that they would still kill civilians nonetheless, and to which he then reverses course. So I doubt very much his brain is simply capable of processing these two inevitabilities about war in tandem.
 
I would stipulate that, like with many other things in his fragile existence, Joe Biden does not have the least idea of what he's doing. Apparently the weapons shipment were of precision guided weapons which would probably kill fewer civilians than unguided bombs [comparatively], which Biden approved of...until someone told him that they would still kill civilians nonetheless, and to which he then reverses course. So I doubt very much his brain is simply capable of processing these two inevitabilities about war in tandem.
Precision is a marketing term
 
Honestly complaining about how people won’t credit Biden for this or even claiming this shows the west isn’t immutable, may be may be, but you guys must realize that this is a dollar short and like 7 months late, right? There’s being late but then there’s also being a dollar short. Eventually you have to conclude the figures are never going to catch up to nominal no matter how many times you flick the gauge.
 

Israel’s attacks come despite explicit opposition from the US. They have prompted a fresh crisis in relations between Israel and its staunchest ally, with the US president, Joe Biden, saying he will cut off the supply of specific US munitions used by Israel to attack urban environments such as Rafah.

Biden’s decision prompted fury in Israel. On Thursday, Israel’s foreign minister, Israel Katz, said the country would “continue to fight Hamas until its destruction”, adding “there is no war more just than this”.

Bezalel Smotrich, the far-right finance minister, called for Rafah to be “conquered completely and the sooner the better”.
The Emirati hospital in Rafah was reported to be scaling back operations, while the Abu Yousef al-Najjar hospital in the city’s east was completely evacuated on Tuesday. The UN was hoping to retrieve medicine and equipment with a “high risk” convoy in coming days.

Other medical facilities in Rafah have been overwhelmed, with the director of the Kuwaiti hospital issuing a desperate call on social media in the small hours of Thursday for medical professionals to help treat casualties.

The health ministry in Gaza on Thursday reported at least 60 more deaths over the previous 24 hours. Since Monday when Israel ordered residents of eastern Rafah be evacuated, the daily reported toll has been above 50, higher than a peak of 33 earlier in May.
 
Israeli Conflict Zone Forum announces that due to the inability of the army to prevent Hezbollah’s rocket attacks, the northern Israeli province will be making their own arrangements for security moving forward as the State of Galilee:


 

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The selective rulings about when Eurovision is and isn’t political are, of course, highly political. When 10,000 civilians are killed in more than two years in Ukraine, Eurovision is political. When 40,000 are killed in Gaza in just 7 months, most of whom women and children, the competition is non-political. The message was clear: the murder of innocents only becomes political when they are killed by the West’s enemies.
 

Palestinians reported heavy Israeli bombardment overnight in the urban Jabaliya refugee camp and other areas in the northern Gaza Strip, which has suffered widespread devastation and been largely isolated by Israeli forces for months. U.N. officials say there is a “full-blown famine” there.

Residents said Israeli warplanes and artillery struck across the camp and the Zeitoun area east of Gaza City, where troops have been battling Palestinian militants for over a week. They have called on tens of thousands of people to relocate to nearby areas.
Five Israeli soldiers were killed in Zeitoun on Friday, and Palestinian militants fired a barrage of 14 rockets toward the Israeli city of Beersheba that night. Another rocket launched overnight damaged a home in the Israeli city of Ashkelon, the military said Sunday.

The United Nations’ agency for Palestinian refugees, the main provider of aid in Gaza, meanwhile said 300,000 people have fled Rafah since the operation began there. Most are heading to the heavily damaged nearby city of Khan Younis or Mawasi, a crowded tent camp on the coast where some 450,000 people are already living in squalid conditions.
U.S. President Joe Biden has said he won’t provide offensive weapons to Israel for Rafah. On Friday, his administration said there was “reasonable” evidence that Israel had breached international law protecting civilians — Washington’s strongest statement yet on the matter.
 
Yeah, basically. No one cares about innocents. But they do care about their flags and political ideals, which kill innocents - but at least we're not Eastasia nor Eurasia, eh?
 
As the above article said its ok for the EBU to ban Russia to avoid bringing Eurovision into disrepute but its not ok to ban Israel (even though their inclusion brings the EBU into disrepute over its political bias). What I find particularly annoying is not just the hypocrisy but the arrogant assumption that ordinary people won't notice the hypocrisy.
 
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