[Vote] (1-07) Artistry OVERHAUL

[Slyceth]

Then that's an issue with your map choice. With standard continents you are almost always with 3 different civs on the continent.

The wonder gives other civs more time to react. They could win before you build it, or could try to invade you, so you're either forced to build military instead or they conquer your capital. I actually had that situation in one of my recent games.

I can't imagine the 8 turns it takes for the wonder to build is enough for the ai to take your capital.

I just did 2 test games and in both cases the ai does land their units next to my capital but just kind of idles around doing at most 3% damage to the capital but they couldn't take it before the wonder was done.

In the second test I even manually declared war on everyone before I started the wonder, and made my army idle. A glitch happened that reset my wonder progress while it was halfway done but after 18 turns the city was still standing and the wonder was done. I only lost 2 cities and they liberated them to a defeated civ (Japan) which means they were kicked out of the land. Dumb ai.

 

[CppMaster]

I can't imagine the 8 turns it takes for the wonder to build is enough for the ai to take your capital.

For me sometimes it's about 20 turns. And yeah, even if AI won't conquer your capital, they just have these additional 20 turns to win, so it's not useless.

 

[Stalker0]

likely too late in the voting to matter, but this change is a soft nerf to Egypt Artistry play. Before Egypt would get a boost to all of their burial tombs at Artistry 2. Now they would need to get Artistry 2 or 3 (and most likely 3 based on standard optimum build order). so that will slow down their science but a noticeable measure.

 

[pineappledan]

The bonus to artifacts would be delayed, yes. They have a big bonus to artifacts on their UA though, and they're the only case of a civ that can even get artifacts that early, so that seems fine.

If you play with @Hinin 's tweaked Egypt, it's actually a buff. In that version, Egypt can see and improve artifacts early, so you can keep the bonuses on the tiles as pseudo-landmarks. This is a version of Egypt that I think deserves serious consideration, especially since all the art files are already in the game

 

[Recursive]

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