1864--Danish-Prussian (and Austrian) war-themed tv series, this October :)

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Finally, the date of the first episode is nearing. It will be broadcasted at the 150th anniversary of the end of the Second Schlesvig-Holstein war, this October :D


Link to video.

Looks good, and i hope the subplots won't ruin it. It seems a theme is that Monrad is to blame for virtually all the collapse in Denmark, which appears false given the other key figures who decided to place the whole Danish Army at the Viking fort of the Dannevirke (and then caused the retreat to Dybbøl and Als).

Spoiler for an article i once posted on that war, if anyone wants a little info on the timeline of the series...

Spoiler :
While the war seems to have started largely as a reaction to the new Danish parliamentary action bringing about the end of Holstein's regional autonomy as part of a general German nation, actual military campaigning did not lead to much until the middle of January of 1864. Originally the Danish forces and the assorted German forces were not involved in any decisive movement, but positioned in the different banks of the Eider river. This changed through Bismark's first plotting to secure a part in the war for Prussia and Austria which would pretty soon exceed the wishes of the German polities west of Prussia. War was accordingly declared by those two powers.

The Danish command was at first set (it seems also for historical reasons) to defend along the Dannevirke, an old Viking creation of a rising barrier, reaching up to 6 metres, and not falling considerably below 4 in any parts of it. The Dannevirke was expanding for around 30KM, and consisted of a small segment in the southern entrance to the land just below the river Shiel, and then a larger one reaching towards the Wadden Sea.

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The Danish army command and the new King (who signed the parliamentary action), decided to leave Holstein and focus on defending that line, mostly because the front would therefore be considerably smaller, and also counting on the various water and river patches to the east of the front, which would on the one hand make it harded for the Prussian and Austrian armies to cross, on the other be further secured by the relatively better armed Danish navy.
But in the end the Dannevirke was also abandoned, since the Prussians led their army in the midst of a horrible winter (temperatures were routinely lower than -10 Celcius), which turned those bodies of water into an icy bridge for the critical first part of the war.

It is argued that the retreat and abandonment of Dannevirke (which never again returned to Denmark) without a battle, played a very crucial demoralising role to the Danish army.

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While the army of Denmark numbered around 40K soldiers, and 100 guns, along with a decent navy including the fully armored ironclad Rolf Krake, the Prussian army was in the onset of a war a little smaller, and along with the Austrian army numbered around 60K soldiers, with nearly 160 guns. During the war a number of heavy artillery pieces were captured (particularly due to the abandonment of Dannevirke where many were installed and could not be moved to the next line), and 20K more soldiers reached the ranks of the combined Prussian-Austrian army.

The Danish army was ordered to retreat to Dybbøl, and along with Als those were the final areas where it was sieged. The actual campaign after the voluntary retreat from Dannevirke seems to have been one decided as of its outcome in the moment that Bismark took advantage of this event so as to enable an incursion into actual Schleswig. It appears that the Danish side did not expect this development, and instead was hoping for either a negotiation about Holstein's status, or a prolonged stalemate, which could lead the main European powers to intervene (as they had done in the first Schleswig-Holstein war). However none of those happened, and ultimately the sieges were practically impossible to break by the Danish side. The peace signed in the end of october, almost 10 months after the war started, saw Denmark losing 40% of its territory, along with 35% of its population. Also it ceded most of its railway network, and important towns such as Kiel and Schleswig. The war in the long run secured Prussia's position, and 18 months later Prussia won against Austria, with the help of French and Italian threats against Tyrol and Dalmatia, paving the way ultimately for 1870...
 
K, how are you going to watch it? It's going to air on Danish television in Danish language. I don't think it will be available in English untill BBC or Netflix, etc. buys it.
 
^Hm? Afaik they had already agreed with BBC, at least months ago (but i now cannot find the english dub version on youtube, so maybe the deal fell through?).

Even so, they would just lose money and gain nothing by not going with their original plan of same week airing in english dub as well (eg later on in the week, in some English channel).
 
For DR's other popular shows like The Killing or Borgen, they usually air it on BBC a year later and with original language but subtitled, so you might have to wait a year.

But I don't know, maybe they do it differently this time. :dunno:

edit: After some googling I think they are actually going to air it sometime in 2014, although probably a little later than the original Danish run.
 
K, how are you going to watch it? It's going to air on Danish television in Danish language. I don't think it will be available in English untill BBC or Netflix, etc. buys it.

Torrents + subtitles found online.

I'm not recommending anyone to break the law or anything, just pointing out to a method that would work.
 
I'm really looking forward to this one.
 
It looks really interesting! I actually visited the Nordic Heritage Museum in Seattle last weekend and saw the 1864 Danish Prussian war was one of the major factors in the increase in Danish immigrants to America. Plus I'm a sucker for European wars that are lesser known here in America.
 
So... The first episode was better than I expected. Though I'm not sure it would have any appeal to non-Danes.

Spoiler :
Not a single shot fired yet, but the stage is set for an interesting story. Honestly the first episode was a bit boring, but it seems the pace will speed up in the next episodes.

I liked the part from modern times, but it's obviously going to be something that people will disagree on.

They didn't explain very well what the war they had just fought was all about, so here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Schleswig_War
 
The trailer looks great, but this series really cries out to be a European co-production. ARD or ZDF, BBC, DR, and ORF could have shared the cost of some spectacular battle scenes, but had subplots unique to their audiences.

I wonder what percentage of the DR drama budget this is consuming.....? Even if they plan to get a lot back by overseas sales, it looks pretty impressive for a small-to-medium-sized country.
 
I wonder what percentage of the DR drama budget this is consuming.....? Even if they plan to get a lot back by overseas sales, it looks pretty impressive for a small-to-medium-sized country.
The series has a cost of 173 million DKK or 30 million USD. (That's the total cost for eight episodes)

DR has a budget of a little less than 4 billion DKK or 680 million USD.

So the answer is about 4%.

edit: However the Danish Ministry of Culture has payed the first 100 million DKK, which means that DR's share is much lower.

tldr: The Danish taxpayer payed for the show.
 
The series has a cost of 173 million DKK or 30 million USD. (That's the total cost for eight episodes)

DR has a budget of a little less than 4 billion DKK or 680 million USD.

So the answer is about 4%.

edit: However the Danish Ministry of Culture has payed the first 100 million DKK, which means that DR's share is much lower.

tldr: The Danish taxpayer payed for the show.
Hmmm.... Isn't potentially illegal state aid? Or did the French get cultural products excluded from the Single Market?
 
Well episode two was...
Spoiler :
...also sort of boring. The acting is pretty good and the photography is top notch, but the storyline is a little slow paced for my taste.
 
This series has raised some spirits here in Denmark. The 1864 war is very central to our self-understanding as a humble, minor nation and some right-wingers have claimed the series is antinationalist and ahistorical.

I'm sure the second is true, but I'm not sure how the first matter. Denmark has such a ridiculous victim complex over the 1864 war; the public understanding denies the arrogance Denmark displayed prior to the war (nationalistically thinking oneself immortal due to the First Schleswig War's victory, which is ridiculous against something like Prussia) and the dark portrayals of idiocy or cruelty within the series is unwelcome to some people in our right.
 
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