2018 NFL Regular Season!!!!

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah sadly I want to disagree but after watching all their godawful playoff performances over the last few years I can't lol. They're an awesome team but that doesn't mean anything if you pee the bed (or leave Mike Williams so open that I was closer to him than the nearest Chiefs DB)

I've complained about my love-hate relationship with Andy Reid before. I love Andy Reid because he's an amazing talent evaluator/developer and gameplanner. I also hate Andy Rein because is a godawful game manager and loses games by getting ultra-conservative and/or forgetting football games have a clock.

If Andy Reid had spent his career coaching teams that play in domes he'd have the highest winning percentage of all time and more rings than fingers.

 

[caketastydelish]

What do you mean by that?

 

[Light Cleric]

I'm not saying you're wrong but I need you to explain why that affects his teams more when both teams play in the same weather. It's not like they always lose to teams that are used to the cold (the Bucs play in a warm-weather country and came year and beat the Eagles one year)

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm not saying you're wrong but I need you to explain why that affects his teams more when both teams play in the same weather. It's not like they always lose to teams that are used to the cold (the Bucs play in a warm-weather country and came year and beat the Eagles one year)

Because Reid has always put together these pass happy, circus style offenses that are massively impacted by bad weather...or even moderately less than good weather. When your game plan is "sure we'll give up a bunch, but we're gonna score a touchdown every time we have the ball" it only takes a couple cold hand dropped passes to throw you off the rails.

 

[Sommerswerd]

You left the Steelers off your list I quoted. That's what I was referring to, which I thought you could gather because it's what I quoted but apparently not lol

All this was about your assertion that the Steelers wins were somehow harder. The Chiefs' opponents and the teams they've beaten have a higher winning percentage than the Steelers (between .020 and .030, I'd have to run the numbers again for the exact total), that's just factual. You can make excuses about "injuries" or w/e, but it's the NFL, everyone has that. Case in point: you know who the Chiefs were missing against the "wounded" Steelers? Eric Berry, their best defensive player by a mile. Think maybe that's why they gave up 37 points?

Also, the Chiefs' 3 losses are to the Pats/Chargers/Rams. You can poop on beating the Broncos and Raiders(who both do indeed suck copious amounts of ass ass), but the Steelers lost to them both . I called the Steelers having harder wins nonsense because it's not backed up by reality and your arguments to justify it are barely coherent, let alone good.

That's alot of words to say "I was wrong about you omitting the Steelers win" but whatevs lol.

The location of the super bowl doesn't solve the problem of getting the fifty burger tossers through the playoffs. Kansas City is bar none the most fun team to watch in the league, but their great season is most likely going to earn them a sad demise on a freezing January day in Kansas City and we'll end up stuck with watching the Cheatriots in the superbowl.

Not so fast. At this point they are on the verge of losing the bye and homefield advantage to the Chargers. New Orleans and the Rams will be fine weather-wise.

KC needs a dome seems to be what you're saying.

 

[rah]

I didn’t. Supposing the Broncos win tonight their season will be even. That hardly constitutes “sucks period”.

Sorry couldn't pass on this one. Does this mean they suck now?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Sorry couldn't pass on this one. Does this mean they suck now?

I think it means they sucked all along, but Cake will admit it now.

There was a lesson in that game. It was hard fought, close right to the end, the poster child for "competitive game." And I just couldn't keep my attention on it. I don't care about the Browns, and I really don't care about the Broncoids, and I seem to have drifted past caring about football just for the sake of football.

 

[Sommerswerd]

The Browns took a 7 point lead with over 11 minutes to play and held the Broncos off for basically the whole 4th quarter.

 

[caketastydelish]

FWIW yes I will now admit the Broncos suck.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Give me a break. Look at the Chiefs' schedule,. All the teams (and worse) that you are dissing and dismissing for being Steelers wins are right there on the Chiefs schedule... Browns, Bengals, Jags, Ravens, Broncos (twice), Raiders, 49ers, Cards. You should have looked at the Chiefs schedule before making this argument.

There's a major difference between Steelers and Chiefs though. One team won more games.

We can make this simple though. Come up with an objective metric for how to evaluate team/division peformence, apply it consistently, and watch as it turns out you're overrating the AFC north.

You should have looked at the Chiefs schedule before making this argument.

At least the Chiefs actually beat the Raiders...

Because Reid has always put together these pass happy, circus style offenses that are massively impacted by bad weather...or even moderately less than good weather. When your game plan is "sure we'll give up a bunch, but we're gonna score a touchdown every time we have the ball" it only takes a couple cold hand dropped passes to throw you off the rails.

New England has won SBs with offenses that are at least as pass-happy as Reid's Eagles were, probably more so. The difference is in players/coaching mostly. NE having a couple powder puff teams in their division for nearly two decades doesn't hurt either.

FWIW yes I will now admit the Broncos suck.

They're average/mediocre. "Sucks" should be reserved for teams like the Cardinals, Bills, Raiders, Jets, and post-QB injury 49ers/Redskins. These are the special brand of bad where it's a surprise if they beat anybody other than each other.

 

[Light Cleric]

It really sucks that Falcons fans didn't bother showing up but we're still cursed with the NFL rules of not having any other game be broadcast locally

I'm actually of the belief that you shouldn't pay money to go watch your team if it sucks, but this gives me an excuse to dump on the Falcons so that overrides my principles.

 

[Sommerswerd]

There's a major difference between Steelers and Chiefs though. One team won more games.

That's true. That does circle us back to one of the original debates about whether playoff seeding should be based purely on record. Which brings up another thing. Why even have conferences or divisions? Why not just have the 8 or 12 or whatever teams with the best record be seeded into the playoffs period? Is there value... entertainment, monetary or otherwise in having "division champs" and "conference champs" and more accessible playoffs where only the absolute worst teams are truly "out of it" all the way up to the last couple games of the season?

We can make this simple though. Come up with an objective metric for how to evaluate team/division peformence, apply it consistently, and watch as it turns out you're overrating the AFC north.

Not necessary. I can admit that my "analysis" of how the divisions compare was more of a hot-take. I didn't sit down and apply any metrics and I'm willing to take your word for it if you say that you have and there's no metric whatsoever by which you can say the AFC North has had a rougher go of it than the AFC West. Ultimately, we have the playoff to sort this all out afterall. But then that's an argument in favor of the current setup isn't it? To "settle" at least in a cosmetic sense the "they had a tougher schedule" and "they have a powderpuff division" arguments. Folks like me can have subjective, squishy attitudes about division/conference/team strength that mixes emotion and intuition with stats, but ultimately, there's no arguing with the score at the end of the Superbowl.

I will add that I just saw a really nice Star Wars review that reminded me of something that I've been trying to keep in my mind for years on these threads... its been a process but I feel that I've progressed in the right direction overall... so on that note... Sorry @Light Cleric for being a dick to you over this. It's not that serious and there's no reason for me to turn fun football talk into a nasty fight. So I apologize.

EDIT:Looking back I should add @caketastydelish and @TheMeInTeam to that too. Sorry guys.

 

[caketastydelish]

I can’t watch games because I’m at work but I can’t believe the Jags managed to lose to the Redskins.

 

[Light Cleric]

Wow I can't believe the refs bailed the Pats out in a crucial spot again lol

 

[Sommerswerd]

FWIW yes I will now admit the Broncos suck.

I think maybe the Steelers have earned folks considering re-evaluating their opinion on them as well.

I think the Patriots were succeeding with the run and should have stuck with it especially at the end... but with Tom Brady and no time outs I guess they felt there was no choice but 4 passes in a row.

 

[caketastydelish]

I didn't even get to watch that game (was watching Seahawks/49ers) but judging by the scoreboard yes my opinion of them has been reevaluated. And I am VERY pleased with the result despite not predicting it.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Seahawks are still in control of their destiny. 1 win and they're probably in... with 2 games to go, that's doable.

This has been a fun season... 49ers notwithstanding. Lots of parity, and surprises.

 

[caketastydelish]

People in the Seahawks subreddit are saying we should fire Schotenheimmer over one bad game. I am not exaggerating. That seems pretty harsh and I hope our ownership and management isn’t tha stupid.

 

[BirraImperial]

The Broncos have sucked the entire season...They got a few wins mostly due to lucky breaks and mistakes from their opponents, but they have sucked all along...It's difficult to win when you have one healthy starting CB left, a bunch of rookies for WRs (while trading away your one veteran guy) with very few first team reps, and having a complete joke of a QB in Case Keenum...

The Rams are down 30-13 early in the 4th quarter...Suddenly, they're not looking so strong now...

 

[Serutan]

Just listening to the crowd noise during the night game, you would have thought it was an Eagles home game. LC is doubtless glad for a bit of a cushion for home field.