4.5 AI-Only Game Statistics (we love war)
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Does it focus on score more?
If victory points reflect how great empire is (which is debatable currently) then sure. The world doesn't stop at 2050 ad, though. It's just for checking the scores, could be any different year.
If someone wanted to, they could remake the time victory.
Personally I have only hit it once or twice when I plunged the world into a dark age from my bloodthirsty warmongering. In those cases it felt fine. I would have "pseudo-domination"ed a science victory otherwise, and that's quite boring.
Personally I have only hit it once or twice when I plunged the world into a dark age from my bloodthirsty warmongering. In those cases it felt fine. I would have "pseudo-domination"ed a science victory otherwise, and that's quite boring.
epicivfreak
Prince
It focuses more on immersion and historical concepts being correct than on anything else. Here's a link to the latest alpha, if you'd want to give it a try. Leaving comments in that thread is welcomed by the creator, so I'd take notes while you play & post them after.
Can't currently, just bought Baldurs Gate 3
I said it many times. Leave the Songhai alone. Of course they are op. The game needs a civ like that. I also think the tabya is more op than the mandekalu, even so, leave it.There was a time i didnt know why is it so strong, untill i saw amphibious Knight on a river
Im learning to play on diety now, and im at the stage im trying to judge any tile basing on its relative value,
and value of a production is a lot, especially early game. You get like 8 tiles of river near your capitol, and you are set up, to dominate
your neighbours. So yea, those Tabya-s seems like almost OP, not sure why there is this additional 10% towards buildings there. Its already strong
It also gives early culture from being UB, which at this stage of the game for many civs could be 50% more culture in the expansion cities.
Wow, is those strange triangles are offensive roads build by new automated workers? Impressed
And they clean after xD
Hmm, just wonder, do workers know, which roads were built by automated workers, so that whey dont remove roads that wer build by human?
I mean, i wonder what would happend to offensive roads build by human, is it a risk, that automated workers would remove it prematurely?
I have problem with current workers, that sometimes i build road not optimally, so that i could squize more villages between close cities, and i see sometimes, that
there are parralel roads build next to mine
Why? Do we also need OP cultural victory that we had?
No leave that to vanilla and civ6, we really need to nerf the most op stuff, balance is imperative to the mod.
But Mandekalu and tabya arent the game breakers, its the extra movement that really make it roll over other AI's unable to understand how to defend against it, exaggerated by UU being cav and ignoring rivers which are normally a hindrace/defensive line.
Hwatcha logistics for free is another bad one.
But Mandekalu and tabya arent the game breakers, its the extra movement that really make it roll over other AI's unable to understand how to defend against it, exaggerated by UU being cav and ignoring rivers which are normally a hindrace/defensive line.
Hwatcha logistics for free is another bad one.
It's just so funny how things work out the wrong way. Nerf, nerf, nerf, but what do you actually achieve. Mainly, you eliminate ways of not winning the game, ever thought about that?
Thats the thing, use modmod if you want op stuff and yes Iroquois is also subject to this issue under certain circumstances, celts and kilimanjaro isnt as extreme since hills are usually spread out.
Nerfs does not eliminate ways of winning, its supposed to eliminate trivial wins.
The main problem with broken civs is that you know they will erase near by civ(s) and your only hope is to be close enough to help or take your cut of the AI that is doomed.
If you' are on the other side of the world the op AI is going to snowball.
If you want OP civs to play with just modify your own game and triple some civ bonuses or so. The vast majority prefers a good balance.
Balance is achieved. Or at least closer to it. That's the point of nerfing OP things. Without it, it's trivial to play as OP civ and pain in a butt to play against it.
Is it really true that people want to play op civs? A pain in the butt to play against. Yes, isn't that half the point of playing?
pineappledan
Deity
Spoiler They are very comparable. The key differences are: :
Gold bonus for conquest and vs barbarians. Iroquois have no comparable bonus
bonus to buildings production, and unlocks TL;DR - while similar, the Songhai just have more bonuses to more things than the Iroquois, and they don't give up much in the ways that they are directly comparable.
Bryan317
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I play large maps with 20 civs. The funny thing is 2 games ago Spain was an absolute beast. And my last game it was Siam. Both were religious power houses. Spain was definitely more aggressive. Siam was SO passive. They were way ahead of me in Army size and Technology. But I could even Annex one of their city-states and he still wouldn't declare war on me.
The half point of playing is playing an imbalanced game? What??
The majority prefers balance, so this is what VP designers try to do. OP civs have a place in mod mods for those who prefer it, so everyone is happy.
pineappledan
Deity
The priority should always be fun. Ideally, each civ should offer unique tools and playstyles that emphasize different aspects of the game, and make playing both as them and against them a fresh challenge.
At a certain point, having some civs that are much stronger than other ones can hurt people's fun. If you are playing a civ that is simply stronger than other civs then your opponents won't offer much challenge. If you are playing on a map with continents and discover that the other side of the map has been swallowed up by an overtuned civ before you ever got to meet them, that's maybe a pretty difficult challenge, but it's far less interesting meeting a single civ who has catapulted ahead of everyone else in Renaissance.
In my opinion the Songhai are the worst of both worlds. They function largely identical to how the Iroquois do, so they aren't mechanically unique or interesting. They are less complex than the Iroquois, because forests offers some tradeoffs, require more planning and have more tile management decisions than rivers. On top of that, the Songhai are strong enough that they can run away with a game on a somewhat reliable basis. Users have commented many times that Songhai feel like you are playing down 1 difficulty setting. We already have a lever for doing that: Variable Difficulty settings.
TL;DR - we should never compromise fun for the sake of balance, but I don’t see how the Songhai are fun, and unbalanced things can hurt fun.
At a certain point, having some civs that are much stronger than other ones can hurt people's fun. If you are playing a civ that is simply stronger than other civs then your opponents won't offer much challenge. If you are playing on a map with continents and discover that the other side of the map has been swallowed up by an overtuned civ before you ever got to meet them, that's maybe a pretty difficult challenge, but it's far less interesting meeting a single civ who has catapulted ahead of everyone else in Renaissance.
In my opinion the Songhai are the worst of both worlds. They function largely identical to how the Iroquois do, so they aren't mechanically unique or interesting. They are less complex than the Iroquois, because forests offers some tradeoffs, require more planning and have more tile management decisions than rivers. On top of that, the Songhai are strong enough that they can run away with a game on a somewhat reliable basis. Users have commented many times that Songhai feel like you are playing down 1 difficulty setting. We already have a lever for doing that: Variable Difficulty settings.
TL;DR - we should never compromise fun for the sake of balance, but I don’t see how the Songhai are fun, and unbalanced things can hurt fun.
