"-4 You traded with my worst enemy"

[ruff_hi]

Ok, we have all seen this message. I know that the '-4' you get is linked to the '+4 We like trading with you' from the other CIV but how do you know who is who's worst enemy? Is it the civ with the most negative score or one of the ones that is lowest on the 'fur, ann, cau, ple, happy' scale?

 

[TCGTRF]

Ok, we have all seen this message. I know that the '-4' you get is linked to the '+4 We like trading with you' from the other CIV but how do you know who is who's worst enemy? Is it the civ with the most negative score or one of the ones that is lowest on the 'fur, ann, cau, ple, happy' scale?

Occasionally, a CIV will dial you up and ask you to stop trading with someone. If you do not stop doing so at that point, I believe you get a negative modifier. I haven't really quantized it to any extent, so I don't know whether it's -4 and stays there, or whether it's -1 or -2 per time with a max of -4.

Tom

 

[scienide09]

Go the the foreign advisor screen, click on relations, and look at all the leaders. Click on the one you want to know about, and then hover your cursor over one of the other leaders, and you'll see a summary of how that leader feels about the one you highlighted (clicked).

Click/highlight your own pic, and then hover your cursor over one of the other leaders, and you'll get a summary of what that civ thinks of you.

Add up the +'s and -'s, and you should be able to tell who likes who.

 

[ruff_hi]

Go the the foreign advisor screen, click on relations, and look at all the leaders. ... Add up the +'s and -'s, and you should be able to tell who likes who.

All true but sometimes I have seen '-4' is shown as cautious while '-3' is annoyed. So, is '-4' the worse enemy or is the 'annoyed' the worse enemy?

 

[BeefontheBone]

I don't think they have one specific worst enemy, you can earn that malus from trading with anyone they dislike (below cautios, I'd imagine) - and presumably it gets worse if you do it more often and with people they hate more.

 

[DarkFyre99]

Ok, we have all seen this message. I know that the '-4' you get is linked to the '+4 We like trading with you' from the other CIV but how do you know who is who's worst enemy? Is it the civ with the most negative score or one of the ones that is lowest on the 'fur, ann, cau, ple, happy' scale?

The method I've been using to tell who an AI Leader's (Leader A) "worst enemy" is is to go to the Relations screen, find Leader A's portrait, then click on the other leaders in turn. This will tell you Leader A's view of the other leader. Whichever leader Leader A dislikes the most is their worst enemy. If there's a tie (Leader A is annoyed by two civs) then the one with the lowest relationship score is their "worst enemy")

Let's say you want to maintain good relations with Isabella. She's your biggest trading partner, and losing all the resources she trades with you will cripple your empire. Mansa Musa just offered to trade with you, and you want to know whether it's "safe" to trade with him. Catherine and Caesar round out the CIVs in your game.

To find out if Mansa Musa is Isabella's "worst" enemy, go to the Realation ship Screen. Click on Mansa Musa to see how Isabella views him. Do the same for Catherine and Caesar. If you find out that she's annoyed only with Caesar, you know MM's not her "worst enemy."

Unfortunately, the world has been rather peaceful since you forced the "Free Religion" civic through the Diplomacy Screen. She's pleased with all three of your rivals. Your next step is to add up all the pluses and minuses. The one with the lowest score is her "worst enemy."

This is the method I've been using to tell who a leader will vote for when I attempt a diplomacy win. It's worked like a charm the last three times I tried it, and it seems to work just as well in predicting who someone's "worst enemy" is.

 

[Thasis]

I have the most problems with religious conflict personally, but I've had that problem before. I eventualy just shut myself out from the world and invade the closest person

 

[Sirian]

I don't think they have one specific worst enemy, you can earn that malus from trading with anyone they dislike (below cautios, I'd imagine) - and presumably it gets worse if you do it more often and with people they hate more.

Actually they do have one Worst Enemy, but it can change over time and they may not have one if they don't hate anybody.

You can tell by looking at F4 and clicking on the every OTHER leader and seeing the attitude toward that leader of the leader you're checking. The one he dislikes the most will be his Worst Enemy.

Yeah, I know it's not ideal, the interface. It should be easier. ... Maybe that should be improved in the expansion or something.


- Sirian

 

[Steve2000]

My question is, does the minus stay if the civ is no longer "their worst enemy?"

 

[Azash]

Ruff, your sig is too long, methinks.

 

[ruff_hi]

Ruff, your sig is too long, methinks.

Maybe but it stops people asking me what mods I am using when I posts pics so I think it actually saves on bandwidth. If someone knows how to put tabs in, I could split the list of SGs into two columns.

 

[Azash]

Well, do you need an Enter press after every line?

 

[Al Fredo]

I recommend the "Exotic Foriegn Advisor" mod, which has a page called "Glance". It a matrix of every leader's attitude and modifiers. You can easily see who likes/hates who and how much and why.

 

[Snerk]

What about when you get: "you have traded with out worst enemies"? I have resieved that message many times.
That must mean that the AI has several "worst enemie! how do you find out who they are, and who do they sometimes have one enemy, and sometimes more?

 

[Wodan]

My personal guide is that Religion is the shortcut.

Simply this: look to see who has the same religion. 99% of the time those people are friendly, and everybody else is not.

Simple & easy, and if you don't want to take the time/trouble to go to the relations screen, then that's your best solution.

For example, if you're Hindu, then trade with all the other Hindu people, and don't trade with non-Hindu.

(If nobody else is Hindu, then I'd strongly suggest either making missionaries ASAP, or else switching to another religion.)

Wodan