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542435 Points on Warlord Writeup

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Hall of Fame Discussion' started by A_Turkish_Guy, Mar 30, 2006.

  1. A_Turkish_Guy

    A_Turkish_Guy EminC

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    Here is a walk-through of my recent warlord game.there are some tactics and advices for players who want to play milking games.This write up is for low diffuculty level games.Maybe some of the tactics dont work on games higher diffuculty level than prince.:).And my English is not very good.:)


    First of all my game settings:
    Leader : Asoka -- I am the only guy who submitted a HoF game with Asoka for low diffuculty levels.Common is Julius Caesar is the best leader of the game.BUT it is not.:).Asoka is Spirutial and Organized .Organizad is good for %50 civic up keep..Most important properties for Asoka is No Anarchy and Fast Workers.No Anarchy is good for civics.Changing civis is a big problem.in anarchy we get nothing(no food ,no production,no points.).if you change a civic at the late part of the game you lose 5 turns means at least 10k points.and Fast workers (+3 movement) ; it is the most important unit after Pretorians.(for me it is the best :).).
    Opponents : I always pick them random.i dont want to lose time for changing them.But if you really want an advice ; choose a leader without scout.
    Map type : Balanced --I think it is the best map type.more resources are always good for milking.
    Map size : Huge for more land and population means bigger score.
    Climate: Tropical -- For maximum food
    Sea Level : Low --my earliest games i always use medium sea level.but by accident i began a game with that setting.İ realize that it has more land.For medium sea level land is 2400-2500 (i think ),but for low level 3200-3300 (i think).bad part for low sea level map is the deserts and mountain groups..if your starting position is in the middle of them just quit the game.
    Game speed :Marathon --The slower the speed the easier it is to conquer the AI's and bigger early points.
    No barbarians (no time for terrorists :).) and no cheating.




    Lets start the game ;
    I start the game with a warrior and a settler.Normally we just build the first city and begin the game.BUT i didnt do that.Every game i play i use the settler for exploring.First i thought losing turns is very bad for early points but it was wrong.Because game is too long .And the benefit of exploring is too big.Getting a worker , settler or a scout make the exploring easy.
    First i use the warrior and settler for exploring the map.My first hut gave me a worker.i think it changes the rest of the game.Worker has +3 movement and exploring is too easy .i was very lucky for the rest of the game.before i built my first city i got 2 scouts ,2 workers nad 193 gold from the huts.As you know you never get techs from the huts before your first city.so i had to build my first city .



    Before my first city​

    I explore the map for 17 turns for huts.I found a suitable location for my first city.I choose that location because of two reasons.First lots of forest to chop; and the second is flood plains near the city.For the starting position flood plains with forests and without deserts are the best choice. they give -2 health.so you need resources for health.But try not to trap between mountais and deserts.
    I never think about health or happiness.because of the diffuculty level you dont need health or luxuries at the early times.




    My Starting Posion​




    I build my first city at 3680 BC.My exploration was damn too fast.3560 BC i got 2 Settler ,3 workers ,2 Scouts 368 gold and a warrior.I think it is a very very good starting .i didnt use the settlers for cities.they were expoloring with rest of them too(look at mini map.).i got 2 techs from huts.one is Fishing (3660) and the other is Bronze Working (3560).i got the Bronze Working just after my first city and that was my key for my fast expanding.
    After Bronz Working ; I started chopping.Every city I built ; first one worker and than a settler.After I chop every forest around the city than start for granary.

    Huts : My experience ; if you are fast and lucky enough you can get 30 huts.For a good game you need at least 600 gold.(just before researching Currency.).Lack of gold kills your reasearch and expanding.
    Getting worker and settler from huts is only for warlord and lower levels.


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    Before 3400BC and Free techs before Polytheism.​

    As you see everything is about huts..


    At 3380 BC I got 4 cities and researching Polytheism.


    Expanding : Fast expanding is the key for a good score.But city maintenance is the biggest problem.So you have to check for your tech <--> gold balance..Try to build your cities near rivers and flood plains. it gives your +1 gold per tile and +2 health for the city.and you will use +1 river tiles for cottages. Always place cities as close as you can.. Try not to get deserts and mountains and hills.One of the important thing is get as many coast , ocean tile and lakes as you can.Because they are not in the domination limit.



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    Red is the capital.I always use that kind of city replacing.


    Early Game Techs :

    As you know every player has his tech priority.Every player use different ways.In this game my tech tree is very simple.Always Bronze Working is the first tech.Polytheism is for early religion.You may choose Meditation but AI always get this first.So dont waste your turns.;).My first goal is Currency.As i said lack of gold kills our reasearch and expanding.Currency gave me 25 golds per turn (i dont know the exact number).and it helps me alot.


    Continuing..

    1970 BC i got 19 cities and 31 workers.my score was 51000 points.And researching Mathematics.i have 663 gold .At %40 reasearch rate i was losing 15 gold per turn.At this point i needed more golds.so i started to build cottages on flood plains.I never build cottages on tiles which can irrigate.
    My map is very good.I have no jungles around my starting position ,have lots of f&#305;rests.coast shapes are good for cities and opponents are far away.
    But there are two bad thing about my map.First I have no marble and map has no marble.second I am in the middle of the mountains and deserts
    My last three games I have no marble in my maps.I don&#8217;t really understand it.I think I have a bad luck about marble.
    Lack of marble effects only &#8216;&#8217; Hagia Sophia &#8216;&#8217;.After researching Banking and Code of Laws ;I always change my civics to caste system and merchantaism.Banking is the milestone of the milking phase.







    As you see from the screenshots north, south ,east part of my map is full of desertsand mountains.they blocked my expanding direction. My headache ;mountain and hill groups.My expanding was stopped because of them.i can only expand to the north-west.that means losing more gold to the maintenance and can do nothing about it.
    I started to expand to the north-west.Shape of my land is not good. Maintenance became too dangereous .Every city i built took 6-8 gold per turn.After a few cities i stopped expanding ,wait for Currency.My tech drooped %30 and i was losing 9 gold per turn.i focused my land improvement.I irrigated many tiles after Civil Service.
    As you see At 1490 BC i got 18 turns go get the Currency and i was nearly run out of gold.I was trying to get gold from cottages.i nearly built cottages every non-irrigated tiles and every flood plain.i nearly irrigated every tiles near rives and lakes.At this time i dont have happiness and health problem.I got 5 health and 1 happy bonus.
    I got Currency 1290 BC.And after researching currency i got 600 golds from the other guys and +25 golds per turn.
    With 600 golds i was the king.I just built a few cities and changed my tech goal.Monarchy and Feudalism are my first goal.
    1150 BC i was researhing Monarchy (9 turns) .I got 544 gold and +3 gold per turn with %30 tech rate and my score is 151 K.I nearly built cottage every tile and i built two cities to the north-east .
    950BC i was reaserching Feudalism ( 19 turns).I got 670 gold and +3 per turn with %30 tech rate .my score is 172 K.​
     
  2. A_Turkish_Guy

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    670 BC i was researching Metal Casting ( 10 turns.)i got 1100 gold and -24 per turn with %40 tech rate. my score is 200K.i was nearly built Oracle (9 turns) .My cottages were very good.At %30 tech rate ; i got +19 gold per turn and i built a few cities and my tech goal is Banking .At this point i thought my game gets 650K points.Because comparing my chieftain game ; i am nearly 75 K points better.But i never consider the shape of my territory and maintenance.:)
    As you see from the map my territory shape was getting a little interesting.I started to built settler for my fast expanding after getting Banking.





    670 BC: My map and my units.​



    590 BC i built Oracle.And i chose Civil Service for free tech.after that i started to irrigate the rest of my land.But i destroyed cottages to build farms and if you just do that it will be dangerous for economy.I planed for which is cottage or farm.First i destroy with +1 gold than +2 gold and +3 (but not many of the +3 golds).
    330BC i was researching Guilds (16 turns).i got 660 gold and -30 gold per turn with %40 tech rate. my score is 220K.My city replacing was not very good and it effected the rest of the game.I cant calculate but i lost at least 75K points from the shape of my territory .I started to stack many axeman to the east border for Chinese.I built a city at the bottom of the map for a silver mine.Two other opponenet were in my religion.



    330 BC My map and my units.​



    1 AD i was researhing Banking( 4 turns).i got 84 gold and -24 gold per turn with %40 tech rate.My score is 240K.i had now 54 cities and i was preparing a fast expanding plan.I was nearly ran out of gold.AI had no gold but i nearly reached my second goal.





    1AD .My map and units.​




    25 AD i finished Banking.i changed my civics to Caste System ans Mercantilism.Now time to expand.Every city gave me +1 free specialist means +3 gold for new cities.I started my expanding plan.I attacked Chinese for their cities.they were too close to me and their capital had fish and clam.
    60AD i got my first Great Prophet.
    85 AD i was researching Philosophy(1 turn) for Pasificm.I got 152 gold +5 pern turn with %20 tech rate.My score is 246K.I was building Parthenon (26 turns).I had 72 cities and continuing expanding.My territory became like freak.I nearly finished the Chinese . From that point i needed much more gold and fast researching.It means a Golden Age.Pasificm gives % birth rate .it is very important for great person. And i needed another one.


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    85 AD.My map and units.​




    115AD my economy got hurt because of the farms.I nearly destroy every cottage.My tech dropped %20 and losing 22 gold per turn.I got only 322 gold and i was researching Engineering (16 turns).So i needed another gold resource.it was of course wealth and +1 food hills.i emptied every +1 food and normal hills and used the specialist for +3 gold.

    175 AD my economy collapsed because of the high unit cost and inflation.At %30 tech rate i was losing 55 gold per turn.i didnt have any other ideas to fill that crack.First i thought about dispanding my units.My brain started to work faster and got another idea.Kashi Vishvanath.I built it and at %30 tech rate i was only losing 7 gold.(First i thought about starting the Golden Age ,but i think A Great Prophet is very important to start a Golden Age.Getting a scientist or a merc is much more simple.)
    Now i got another problem.I needed another Great Person for my Golden Age.And the answer was Music.I change my tech tree to Music.
    At this point i got 82 cities and 40 of my city built granary





    115 AD .My map units and economy.​




    190 AD i entered my first Golden Age.Now time to get Biology as fast as i could.I was researching Paper(5 turns).I was getting 255 gold per turn with %30 tech rate.it was time to use all of my settlers.I got 92 cities .Now i needed Hagia Sophia.i found a suitable place for it.Lack of marble was now doingits duty.+90 shields from forest.not 180 :(:(..I needed 18 forests to build Hagia Sophia.:( :( .By the way i started Forbidden Palace too.
     
  3. A_Turkish_Guy

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    255 AD i had only 4 turns from my Golden Age.I was researching Chemistry(8 turns.).I got 1900 gold and getting 36 gold with %40 tech rate.I built Forbidden Palace.It effected nearly nothing.Maybe 20 gold per turn.(it was too small.i could get it from 7 specialists.).My expansion was damn too fast .From 190 AD to 255 AD i built 20 cities.i got only %35 of the land area.I got 267K points.



    270 AD i built Hagia Sophia.



    270AD​




    295AD i was researching Chemistry (4 turns).I got 2947 gold and -90 gold per turn with %30 tech rate.I got 122 cities and %44,4 of the map.My score was 271 K. My civic were Hereditary Rules,Caste System, Mercantilism,Vassalage and Pasifism.At this point i thought getting Biology was too late.270 AD i had 85 turns to get biology and i dont have enough gold to hold the tech at %30 rate.:(.I needed another Golden Age.)
    &#304; nearly finished Incans and i chose my third target Spanish Empire.
    My expanding was too fast and it was not possibele to irrigate the new cities.But i had to do that before Hanging Gardens.I needed more worker and settlers.








    350AD i started my second Golden Age.&#304; was researching Printing Press(9 turns).i got 822 gold and +76 gold per turn with %40 tech rate.I nearly finished the Hanging Gardens (11 turns).i had to change the turns due to my land area.I got 287 K points and %52 of land area with 152 cities.All of my workers was building farms.I changed my tech tree again.I got Education from my Great Specialist.Scientific Method was 11 tuns and just 1 turn before my Golden Age I could start Liberalism..After Liberalism i will use the free tech for Biology.:).I was choosing the city locations wisely.i was nearly at the domination limit.After 6 points land area i stopped expandind.



    350AD​

    430AD I was researching Liberalism(12turns).i got 2552 gold and -270 gold per turn with %30 tech rate.Now i had 12 turns to get my last and most important tech goal.but i lost everything about economy.after 12 turns i could change every scientist to the mercs.:).i was at MY donination limit.it was %60 of %64 with 167 cities and i didnt want to expand.i had 313 K points and 3 turns to Hanging Gardens.I nearly irrigated at least 3 tiles of the new cities.After Hanging Gardens i need 2 farms per city.And first part of the milking phase was over (expanding).




    430AD[/img]​



    445AD .it was the most important turn of the game.I built Hanging Gardens.My score jumped from 312 K to 372K.&#304; was researching Liberalism (4 turns) .i got 2080 gold ;losing 187 gold per turn with %20 tech rate.&#304; got 168 cities.and i was ready for Biology. I attacked France and i was nearly finished him.he had very good starting position with lots of flood plains.
    It was time to give bad cities to AI and built good ones.

    480AD i got Biology.My score was 387K.game was nearly finished.In teory there was nothing to do after that point.Just irrigation and windmills.

    565 AD i was researching Medicine with %20 tech rate.M score was 447K.As you see from 480 AD to 565 AD my score was increased 60K points.That was the help of the Biology. My domination limit was at %63.rest of the game continued at this domination limit.

    565AD​



    820 AD My score was constant and i thought it was the time for the end. I finished the game.My score was 542435.
     
  4. A_Turkish_Guy

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    Tips :


    --Always and first research Bronz Working.
    --Other reason to reasearch the Currency is to get the AI gold.By this time every AI has 100+ gold.Map has 6 AI means 600 gold.After getting writing use Open borders agreement.It will give you +1 good relation.If you want to get every gold from the AI ; research Monotheism and change your civic to Organised Religion.After that you can train missionaries.Waste your 3 forests and build 3 missionaries.Send them to the distant AI.By the time you get Currency they will change their religion.Religion give you +5 relations.:)..And they will become your pet.They will give you anything you ask for.(if the AI with Buddism dont like you ,you demand tribute.He will give the gold).And dont forget ; you will need the AI later for the rest of his/her gold.:).
    --It is very easy to control your territory.Use AI to do it.If you declare war to others ,never finish them all.Always leave an enemy city for each civ.if your domination limit is too close to the domination limit use one of the AI and give a city.they always want to get cities if they have only one city.
    --Never build your first city at the beginning of the game.Use your settler to explore the map.
    --Before Biology you need lots of workers for removing jungles.Because half of the map is full of jungles.
    --Never build Hanging Gardens too early.
     
  5. VirusMonster

    VirusMonster Quechua General

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    :goodjob: I did not realize (mercantilism + caste system) can be used to counter early city upkeep costs. Nice tactic!

    There are many good tricks in the article that I just can't name it all!

    Scouting with settler at start for example!

    I will wait for this writeup to finish before i start gotm5.
     
  6. A_Turkish_Guy

    A_Turkish_Guy EminC

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    thanks.After 223 views you are the only guy and Turk said that.:D :lol: .


    It is the most important tactic for economy.


    i think this write up is just for Gotm5:D :D .
     
  7. Kalleyao

    Kalleyao Prince

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    How do you spread your religion to all those cities? Also, isn't pacifism too expensive? 1 gpt for each military unit. Do you switch to free religion after liberalism?
     
  8. Dianthus

    Dianthus Small but hardy Retired Moderator

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    Excellent writeup A_Turkish_Guy! :goodjob:
     
  9. Pendle Witch

    Pendle Witch Chieftain

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    Kind of puts my 10,000 (or less!) scores in the shade :lol:

    Congratulations on your achievement - a couple of questions for you :

    1) How long did it take you to play this map?

    2) Did you manage each worker or did you set them to "auto" ?

    regards
    Pendle Witch
     
  10. Zavior

    Zavior cIV forever

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    Great game, great writeup. Good job.
     
  11. A_Turkish_Guy

    A_Turkish_Guy EminC

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    No state religion;
    +1 per religion in a city;
    +10% research in all cities

    if you think the benefit from pacifism it is very cheap.you can get 2-4 great leaders from your cities after pasifism with the help of Parthenon.(+%50 birth rate in all cities.).
    free religion is the most dangerous civic for domination games.No state religion means +1 culture for every city.it is not importanr city is your state religion or not. i did that mistake in my first settler game .:lol: :lol: .

    it is very easy.choose a region and try not to get the techs give you holy cities.time will do that for you.(you have to get Code of laws but not early state of the game.).
     
  12. A_Turkish_Guy

    A_Turkish_Guy EminC

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    My pleasure.:D



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    1-20:46:10 .
    2-Automated workers are not very good for milking games.Ex: you need 3 irrigated tiles per new cities.but workers focus only one city.they do the job and jump to the other.always manage your workers manualy.
     
  13. Solozzo

    Solozzo Chieftain

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    Great work m8, gratz. ;)
     
  14. Andolini

    Andolini Chieftain

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    Your starting tactic is very good.Great work.Congratulations.:king:
     
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    thanks guys.It is always great to see Turks around.:thanx:
     
  17. MasterShake

    MasterShake Goofy Boots

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    that score is inspiring(or scary?)!
    anyway great job:D
     
  18. A_Turkish_Guy

    A_Turkish_Guy EminC

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    again my pleasure.:D
     
  19. Agarwaen

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    too many digits in this High score!:eek:

    Is something to try, after learning all those tactics in high levels try again an easier dificulty
     
  20. A_Turkish_Guy

    A_Turkish_Guy EminC

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    hmm.this write up is not for winning a low level game.it is for high scores.:mischief:
     

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