625K with Inca's: is it valid?

[Tauro]

Hello all.

My question is very simple: I don't know all the HOF rules couse I play sometimes. I've scored 625K with a past version of and HOF 3.13001 mod.

The whole game is in a single session, with a regular settings for submitting a game.

But I've heard and read that Capac is no more allowed for the ranking, is it true?

Thx

P.S.

the map doesn't belong to any gauntlet

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Inca games count for HOF entries, and "normal" QuattroMaster games. They just don't count for gauntlets or Elite Quattro Master games.

 

[Ozbenno]

I'm not sure that 3.13 is still accepted, 3.17 is the current version. No problems with Capac as mentioned though.

Can always submit the game and see what happens.

 

[ryzax]

I'm not sure that 3.13 is still accepted, 3.17 is the current version. No problems with Capac as mentioned though.

Can always submit the game and see what happens.

wow, 625K. Is it a domination win?

 

[Tauro]

Yes, I stopped conquering at 35% of the total of landmass at about 800 AD. Then I started to fill any single tile betwen my cities with colonies, gifting some resources to all my rivals for diplomacy, to trade fish resources. I settled many one square island ( about 135 at the end) with fish, founded sid sushi in 1015 AD; in the last 100 turns I started with about 11 food surplus, growing to 20 surplus

Anyway, with a different strategy I could reach 25/27 surplus.

 

[ryzax]

Yes, I stopped conquering at 35% of the total of landmass at about 800 AD. Then I started to fill any single tile betwen my cities with colonies, gifting some resources to all my rivals for diplomacy, to trade fish resources. I settled many one square island ( about 135 at the end) with fish, founded sid sushi in 1015 AD; in the last 100 turns I started with about 11 food surplus, growing to 20 surplus

Anyway, with a different strategy I could reach 25/27 surplus.

so this is the sushi milking they are talking about. In my immortal domination games, I just continue warmongering 'till victory.

what map type did you use?

 

[Tauro]

Big and small.

Probably I could reach another 2/3 food surplus with only another 3% of total landmass.

Anyway this startegy has many interesting issues to discuss.
I.E. the food is way more important than land.
The next time I will stop conquering on 30%

 

[oyzar]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=260902 did you read this?

 

[ryzax]

I know about VM's thread but it's too long so I just read the first and last pages of the thread. Besides, I already won Immortal, domination, huge (though only at 380K). will play again with that settings after getting some good rank in EQM

 

[oyzar]

I ment most of killercanes post from that thread actually... Especially since they describe a strategy very similar to this...

 

[Tauro]

I read that article, but it's unsuited for monarch or prince I think.

BTW the game was rejected (and I don't want to blame in any way, I uploaded at the end of the game, and not one turn after, my fault)

With the same tactic I achieved a 512K on monarch. 22 food but only 50 cities with sushi. I committed the same mistake of this game. I stopped at 30%; next time I will stop at 27%...

 

[Jbourne]

...........Then I started to fill any single tile betwen my cities with colonies, gifting some resources to all my rivals for diplomacy, to trade fish resources. .

Tauro, What do you mean by "fill any single tile betwen my cities with colonies,"?

Does that mean you build more cities to fill in?

 

[Tauro]

Yes. I called them colonies cous usually you haven't time to make them grow over 22/25 pop. In the rex phase is crucial expand on gold and other resources, avoiding the classical scheme of placing the BFGs in a regular way.
After sushi has been founded I start to fill every two or three square cities as possible. In my last tests I've found that is possible to grow them till 20 pop in about 50 turns if you have 120 sushi resources, that means 30 food.

 

[A_Turkish_Guy]

i saw your last monarch game.your score is good but you can get much more points with a reinforest map.your score is very good because your vassals gets good score for you.in reinforest map you can probably get 750K with a good starting posion and at least 4 happy.i have a save on prince game.(it is not accepted because i made a big mistake about crash saves.).

 

[Tauro]

Lo mate, how are you?

My actual score is 934K on Big and Small, on Monarch and without any vassal. The vassals keep low your score, couse you can't maximize their population, so imho are only a waste of land. You are no need to tale land with vassals, on marathon you just have all the time you need to grow till 25/28% on 800 AD, and then colonize all the single tile island on ocean.
It's rightly rejected for a very stupid mistake: crash with autosave set to 4

Probably th map type is good, but I only need fish, fish...and fish again!
So this choice is a must: Archi is too hard and slow at the start, I need five or six capitals in the first 100/120 turns.

Tomorrow I'll look your map, is it with 3.17?

 

[A_Turkish_Guy]

thank you Tauro, i m fine.how are you?

yes it is 3,17.3,13 is invalid for HoF.


934K is very good score.if it is ok for you ,will you add some saves like 1000bc 1ad 1250 ad and last turn.?

if you say big and small is good for score ,i ll try big and small map.

 

[Tauro]

Take a look

I think that this score is a sum of random factors i.e. the floating domination limit

 

[A_Turkish_Guy]

i m playing my first big & small map.i never thought it is better than reinforest map.(it is only 650 AD but i think it is better).my reinforest map my score was 156K ,in b&s it is 265K.my tech is 45turns better.in b&s map early points are very effective for the score.you can get 4-5 cities in 70-80 turns.and cities are at least 2-3 population.i m now %23 land.but i dont have a strategy.i ll try yours for the beginning.

i think 100 is very big problem.i dont know how to manage it.we ll see.

i ll look your 934K game.if it is 3,17 that score is very goood.

 

[Tauro]

You have to stop conquering now, maximize your research and build settlers, longbows and galleons. Once you've founded the sid sushi start to spread it to your five capitals, then found new cities and spread it to them. Colonize all the tiny islands you can. Research communism, it's (I don't know why!) the game key: once you've discoverd it, the rest of the civs will start to trade sushi resources to you. Go for industrialism (about 1250/1300 AD), stop to grow tat 45%,build some dozen of tanks and transport, and let the score grow 3/5K per turn. On turn 630/50 attack simultaneously 3/5 civs at your choice, and your scor will be very interesting

 

[A_Turkish_Guy]

As i said controling the domination limit is nearly impossible.i m on 580th turn.every turn i gave some cities to the AI.my domination is %50..1 point to domination.i have 230 cities and still 20 settlers for the food.i gave 1 city and build 3 city for the food.i only have 120 corporated cities.my score is 610K and it is 300K better than my previous 680K game.if the game is just continue like that maybe i can reach 800K.it seems it is not possible to reach you 934K points.


After that game i will play another B&S map.for that game i ll stop at %27-30 and start fillling the islands.%35 is not good for %51 dom limit.


i checked your game.your domination was %58.that was very good.%7 is a very big number for 900K + games.that game is very good and you can improve that playing style.