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[luca 83]

this isn’t a historical game. how would you even implement this. it literally makes no sense.

For the last time, it does not simulate history or a historical period, but a chosen, or imposed, form of government, with political, economic and cultural implications in a. wide range of possibilities

 

[Thenewwwguy]

For the last time, it does not simulate history or a historical period, but a chosen, or imposed, form of government, with political, economic and cultural implications in a. wide range of possibilities

it doesn’t do that either. governments have basically been lip service for as long as they’ve been in this game series

this game simulates the growth of a culture more than being a political simulator in any capacity. and i use the world simulate loosely. i don’t think it simulates much.

 

[Zaarin]

For the last time, it does not simulate history or a historical period, but a chosen, or imposed, form of government, with political, economic and cultural implications in a. wide range of possibilities

From your posts, I really think you'd enjoy Paradox's games more than Civ; they come closer to doing what you're looking for.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

From your posts, I really think you'd enjoy Paradox's games more than Civ; they come closer to doing what you're looking for.

what he’s asking for is pretty much exactly vicky 3. economics, politics all playing into a country’s decision making and future.

CK3 is more about succession and dynasties, HOI4 is more about war.

 

[Zaarin]

CK3 is more about succession and dynasties

CK3 and Stellaris are the only ones I've found playable, but I approach CK3 more like an RPG than a strategy game, and Stellaris is closer to a traditional 4X. I bounced hard off EU4, and Vic3 and HoI4 don't appeal to me.

 

[luca 83]

it doesn’t do that either. governments have basically been lip service for as long as they’ve been in this game series

this game simulates the growth of a culture more than being a political simulator in any capacity. and i use the world simulate loosely. i don’t think it simulates much.

Good reason to put politics 1 to justify the revolution 2 to emphasise the historical and ideological changes especially in the 20th century

 

[Thenewwwguy]

CK3 and Stellaris are the only ones I've found playable, but I approach CK3 more like an RPG than a strategy game, and Stellaris is closer to a traditional 4X. I bounced hard off EU4, and Vic3 and HoI4 don't appeal to me.

yeah ck3 is the only one i’ve really enjoyed, but i’ve never played vicky

Good reason to put politics 1 to justify the revolution 2 to emphasise the historical and ideological changes especially in the 20th century

i genuinely don’t know what you’re talking about…what revolution? you’re asking for civ to be a game that it’s not.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

@luca 83 What you're saying is really hard to understand, can I suggest you try a better translator? Or feed it more formal, spelt out Italian? Because the English it's spitting out is barely intelligible. That's not meant as an insult, just a suggestion to give this conversation some chance of working.

If I can decipher what you're saying, it sounds like you want civ to be a completely different game (powered by AI?) that simulates all of human history, economics and politics? I'm not even sure it would be a game, more of an Oracle for speculative / hypothetical history. Which is why that's not only impossible, it would also be a completely different game! I see absolutely no point in discussing that in this thread at all. Really, it's more relevant to Off-Topic than the Civilization 7 part of this forum.

and there are games that tackle this better, but civ is not that

 

[Krikkit1]

I think he may be talking about the idea that the second age crisis mentioned is around revolutions (American, French, 1848). So I could see government type in Age 2 affecting the crisis, and the continued effect of Governments on the ability to keep your cities.

 

[luca 83]

I think he may be talking about the idea that the second age crisis mentioned is around revolutions (American, French, 1848). So I could see government type in Age 2 affecting the crisis, and the continued effect of Governments on the ability to keep your cities.

events can be global , economic crises, political, however influenced does external events but the events revolutions, in the nations are influenced by internal events revolution , Russian , French, and the leaders born of these revolutions are sons of this times

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I think he may be talking about the idea that the second age crisis mentioned is around revolutions (American, French, 1848). So I could see government type in Age 2 affecting the crisis, and the continued effect of Governments on the ability to keep your cities.

yes but how does that get gamified in a meaningful way? happiness is extremely low? spawning “independent people” military units?

civ isn’t the game for some deep political revolution sim. 1848 revs wouldn’t have communists organizing in meaningful ways yet BECAUSE communism was a ideological result of the revolutions.

 

[Psychotronics]

You're talking like Frederick the Great is some obscure historical leader and not one of the most important figures in modern German history

He might be, but Civilization is a series with a global audience, other countries only go in so much detail on modern German history. I'm Brazilian, and while we study European history in way more detail than I think we should, I either hadn't learned or no longer remembered Frederick the Great by the time he appeared in Civilization.
Having him is a good thing, though! I like having leaders that are unknown to me, that usually pushes me to learn a little bit about the histories of other countries.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

He might be, but Civilization is a series with a global audience, other countries only go in so much detail on modern German history. I'm Brazilian, and while we study European history in way more detail than I think we should, I either hadn't learned or no longer remembered Frederick the Great by the time he appeared in Civilization.
Having him is a good thing, though! I like having leaders that are unknown to me, that usually pushes me to learn a little bit about the histories of other countries.

there honestly aren’t a lot of european leaders that come up in high school-level world history outside of europe unless you take european history specifically or college classes

off the top of my head: de gaulle (kind of), hitler, stalin, churchill, chamberlain, king leopold, franco (kind of), lenin, mussolini, tito (only a little), queen victoria, catherine of russia (kind of), tsar peter (only kind of), king george iii (maybe only in the us), queen elizabeth, william the conquerer, richard lionheart (only nominally, juxtaposed with saladin), frederick barbarossa (just that he drowned on his way to the crusade lol), isabella and ferdinand, a few popes here and there, a couple roman emperors, pericles, leonidas…and that’s it.