6otM 120 AAR

Knowtalent · Oct 2, 2021

Welcome to the 6otM 120 After Actions Report. In this thread you can post the results of your game. Please state victory type, date, and score and the save choice (preferably in the post title), as recorded in the Hall of Fame, and the most important: your path to glory!
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- What did you prioritize for research and policies?
- Did you bother with ~~Religion~~ ? Obviously not
- Did you go for Conquest?
- How did you pump your science?
- Were City-States helpful?
- Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it?
- Did you enjoy the game?
Please use spoiler tags for any surprise details you'd like kept hidden. Thanks.
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Planktonic · Oct 3, 2021

Nice relaxing way to enjoy the weekend.

SV, turn 254.

But it was an unusual game for me for a number of reasons. Although I wanted to take advantage of Kongo's propensity for high culture, the Monopolies and Corporations mode made unintentional CV a real threat, so I was probably more sluggish in culture than I needed to be. Even though I was trying to avoid monopolies all along, at Prince I was also afraid that too much culture leading to tourism even without monopolies may still prove a threat. Even more, since Kongo can't have a religion and can't build Holy Sites, my usual tactic of generating a lot of faith (to buy Great People and buy Districts with Moksha) was inoperative. So this felt like a very abnormal game for me.

Anyway, I decided that one way to avoid tourism issues would be to simply remain isolated from other civs altogether. So at the start I beelined to horsemen; three horsemen were all it took to eliminate Arabia, Australia and Indonesia, leaving me alone on the continent except for city states. Never even bothered to build Kongo's UU- just no need for it. I thought I would stay isolated for the whole game, but changed my mind because there was only a single scientific city state on the continent. I decided that going to the other continent would be worth it in the hopes that I could find a second scientific city state and get the boost from Kilwa. But in doing so, I did also resolve to just eliminate all other civs except the highest culture AI (Russia), again to keep tourism to a minimum. I also didn't activate many, many Great People (mostly Great Artists and Musicians) to keep the tourism low. And Great Generals, Admirals and Scientists were usually obsolete by the time they came on. I did end up suzeraining every city state in the game (except the useless Preslav, which I just conquered).

I dunno, it still felt a bit sluggish; I usually don't chop a whole lot so I suspect I could/should have speeded things up a bit by that expedient. I ended up reaching Rocketry and Class Struggle very close to each other, and had built the Government Plaza in my capital, so lost some turns getting started on Earth Satellite while I built the Royal Society.

Overall the game was fun, mostly 'cause you could build any Wonder you wanted, which is always fun (Wonders don't seem to generate that much tourism, so I wasn't hesitant about them at least). But despite thinking I wouldn't approach it that way, I did end up going wide after an early (and late) domination phase just because it ended up seeming to be a faster approach. I'm sure someone else will prove me wrong, which I'd really like to see.

But it did leave me feeling a little unfulfilled, since basically I did end up retreating to playing Kongo like a vanilla civ, and didn't feel able to take full advantage of its unique civ abilities. Maybe I'll try to play this again for a Culture Victory (again avoiding monopolies); it would be a directly contradictory game, since the imperatives would be to maintain friendly relations with as many other tourism-generating civs as possible, from as early as possible.

Thanks for the game!

isopaha · Oct 5, 2021

SV T253. Played a 100% peaceful game. Not much interacting with AIs, just friends with most of them and allied with Australia, with occasional resource trading.

Settled 1SE and settled 10 other cities in that region and 2 more on a larger island. 1 city I got from Australian careless settling. I made all my settlers in the capital, all but one with the help of Ancestral hall.

Had 13 campuses, most with good adjancies. Quite many early TS as well and I got to rationalism quite early. However, I only got 2 early 15+ pop cities and a couple of more quite late. Should have remembered to groom my other mid-size cities earlier. I thought I was not close to CV (used about half of my cultural GP), but at some point about 20 turns before SV I noticed I had 7 turns until CV. I quickly gave up almost all of my GW (luckily AI had lots of room) and the problem was resolved. Tourism came from 180 -> 60 in one turn I think.

Didn't build a lot of wonders, a very late Oxford, Colossus and Kilwa (most useful probably). Mahavihara were quite useful, but I failed to make a lot (also due to hilly ground). For Kongo's uniques, I failed to build the UU (wanted to upgrade warriors, but accidentally got Men-At-Arms first before I remembered to upgrade Mbanzas I had 1 in most of my cities and they were quite handy.

I don't think Kongo is very viable for Deity play, but I'll always remember it was the first civ I played in Civ6 (vanilla), got it with random leader.

Monthar · Oct 9, 2021

Culture Victory Turn 229, Score 1658

I was selling and giving away great works, except my artifacts for a while trying to stave off the culture victory. I was in the middle of the Mars project when the game ended.

tarafran · Oct 10, 2021

Culture Victory at T187
I was trying also to give away all my art for the lat 20 turns... Just bought my first spaceport.
My game was buggy also I never got the eureka for 3 musket and the 2 bombard. (not the first time,recuring problem on my Mac ?)
Thanks for the game

Rutseg · Oct 11, 2021

Unwanted Cultural Victory T250, Science Victory T253, Time 19 h

I expanded as fast as I know, using Ancestral Hall and Monumentality, claiming land close to Australia and Arabia. An early war with John Curtin kept him at bay (Indonesia kept this joint war up for the whole game).

The game was strange in that all the AIs were very, very behind the whole game, with only Peter being a bit better than others. Was it due to a mix of barbarians and dark ages perhaps? For whatever reason, only Arabia and Russian seemed to have some gold, sometimes, to trade. The others were very poor. They never seemed to improve any luxury resource, except for Joao that had 1 salt, is this a bug of the Corporations mode? It is not the first time I see it, when this mode is active AIs tend to improve luxury resources much less than normal, which should be the other way around I think. Anyway, the lack of allies help had a hit in my civilization's amenities and had to build more entertainment complexes and water parks than usual. Also because low faith output = no national parks for late game amenities.

Instead of using Pingala for the main Spaceport city, I tried this time to cluster a lot of factories around and use Magnus with Vertical Integration plus chopping of all the jungle around to launch the projects faster. I am unsure which one works faster. Perhaps once I hit the 200 production, I should have switched to Pingala.

I miss calculated the monopolies bonuses effect and they just swamped with unwanted tourism the other civilizations. Only Peter had some culture. I made a culture alliance with him and kept sending him trade routes to try bump up his culture. It was too late.

If I had been more attentive I think I could have achieved the Science condition earlier than the Cultural one. Basically giving away all the relics and artifacts much earlier, and placing Pingala in my second Spaceport city would have done it.

Looking back, I should have started doing campus research much earlier and built at least one more Spaceport.

Alas, I had a very fun game (thanks!) but the end left a bitter taste.

Spoiler Full log :

Spoiler Cities build order :

dzn · Oct 13, 2021

SV 345. Pretty peaceful - don't remember any trouble, but I felt I slowed myself down somewhere (and can confirm looking at the other reports).
Expanded a lot, maybe too much
It was pretty relaxing and easy though, I knew I was only really racing the turn counter
- Did you go for Conquest? No
- How did you pump your science? Prioritized it in several cities
- Were City-States helpful? A bit
- Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it? Not really
- Did you enjoy the game? Yeah it was pretty relaxing and nice to play

Tarry · Oct 20, 2021

Cultural Victory Turn 258, Science Victory Turn 269

- What did you prioritize for research and policies?
went for early campus, iron and horses - then whatever felt good at the time.
Culture: governments to get many policies.
I targeted research to get envoys in Ciry-States

- Did you bother with Religion ? Obviously not

- Did you go for Conquest?
Only to conquer my home continent, I left the other continent in peace

- How did you pump your science?
Many cities with Campus, Library and University. Conquered everyone on my home continent, built cities where I could get a +2 or better science bonus,
policies for science.

- Were City-States helpful?
Yes, Preslav helped me conquer 2 my eastern neighbours. I should have then taken it once the suzerain ran out and I didn't need it any more, it had a 5 science site, I captured it later in the game. The science civ that gives bonus for science I held despite fierce opposition with 12 envoys in it.

- Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it?
Getting a CV before I managed a SV! I built 1 single theatre square to get writer/artist for city state envoys and then ended up with too much culture.

- Did you enjoy the game?
Yes, even though I lost the nominated actual victory condition.

canadamufc · Oct 22, 2021

very fun game, thank you. Turn 239 SV. Like with other people's games, culture victory was a big threat. Luckily though, me killing off everyone except Portugal proved to be feasible despite my unwanted 209 tourism per turn.

I built campuses in every city possible, and then a combination of theater squares/entertainment complexes/commercial hubs after. Amenities were a struggle, and my spaceport city was pretty weak in production. Notably though, i couldn't get any of the good Great Scientist's. I had to do everything myself, but even then it wasn't enough.

In the end, I suzed every CS, bar Mogadishu and Jerusalem who I killed (killing mogadishu was probably a mistake). And for wonders, I built Kilwa, Colosseum, Oracle, and Forbidden City. I captured other wonders as well

Fun game, thanks

Planktonic · Oct 23, 2021

Re-played this aiming for a Culture Victory, again making sure I had no monopolies so as not to distort the basal ability of the civ.

Was able to get to CV at turn 237. Didn't clear the continent this time (more civs = more tourists after all) but did still take out Indonesia. Was quite fun to leverage Kongo's abilities towards their natural direction (culture), so to speak. But I do miss the religion/faith game with Kongo; still can't figure out how to make those Apostles useful (unless they get the healing promotion I guess).

Thanks again for another fun game.

Victoria · Oct 23, 2021

SV 197
Settled 3 cities and 1 near the end for some oil. Took Warlords for the 20% and wipes the islands clean, it was fun delaying takig cities until warlords ran out but on prince it is not much of a challenge.
Horse rush then Science then UNiversities and cartography
I did not push culture as I was cautious, at the end of the game it was 4/50 so I could have been a lot more relaxed, I guess that comes with wiping the map.
Taruga was probably the most helpful because I could get some decent money from the trade route
Had a crash about T50 something but I am not playing for any ranking.
File uploaded if anyone was interested.
Very enjoyable map, just not the most enjoyable civ although it is nice to not play the same old faith game.
Wonders were like planting flowers

tarafran said:
My game was buggy also I never got the eureka for 3 musket

Game changed but they did not update the science tree... No longer 3 muskets, now 3 line infantry
bombards/trebuchets I think, I tend to get it with a scientist

MrRadar · Oct 26, 2021

Unavoided CV T191/192/193 (HoF shows t191, I saw enough tourism on t192, the save post-victory screen is t193, go figure)
- What did you prioritize for research and policies?
Brute force, or else - fun :yup:

- Did you bother with ~~Religion~~ ? Obviously not
Ha! I bought quite a few builders with faith. Also, 'Stralia sent me some of their Matildas, so one of my two Apostles took Indulgence Vendor promotion for 300 gold net profit.
- Did you go for Conquest?
What? (*very quietly sweeps Indonesia under the rug*) :shifty:

- How did you pump your science?
I've built Etemenaki! Should've won right then and there just because of that, tbh :cool:

- Were City-States helpful?
Became Suzerain of all of them or so, and had a Kilwa. Must've helped a bit? :undecide:

- Any surprises you ran into, how did you deal with it?
Yeah, I was reminded again how game modes whack the AI senseless and C&M mode is of the harshest ones. No luxes to buy from AI. They can hardly pay for a lux or something else 'cause they are almost always poor. They did not have enough TD to accept my Great Works donations so I could not deal with avoiding a CV. Though I did realize that kinda too late and continued in grim resignation. :huh:

Also, barbs must've wrecked the s**t out of them as well, especially on the other landmass, they never got anywhere, there over the pond.
There was something else... Yes, this deserves all caps, sorry, mods, just this one single time, promise:
STONEHENGE REMAINED UNBUILT! Seriously? :faint:

- Did you enjoy the game?
Probably that's a yes, considering how I got carried away building all those wonders :lol:

p.s.
I played with a few UI mods, such as Quick Deals, Better Trade Screen, etc. Nothing gameplay changing. I can't do otherwise, sorry, I've suffered enough

leif erikson · Nov 4, 2021

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Planktonic · Nov 26, 2021

isopaha said:
I don't think Kongo is very viable for Deity play, but I'll always remember it was the first civ I played in Civ6 (vanilla), got it with random leader.

I've been experimenting with this civ and with this game, since it forces me to play without religion/faith, and I was intrigued by your comment, since at Prince the civ seemed strong enough. So I reset the game to Deity level and re-played it; the map and civs and city states were all the same, although the city state locations varied.

I tried twice to play it peacefully, although ended up tangling with Australia both times. Neither attempt was successful- eg. in the first (see below) I got surprise DOWed by Saladin at turn 228. I probably could have survived the war but was already lagging in techs and doubt that I could have caught up afterwards.

Spoiler :

So on the third try I decided to play it for war from the get-go- no campuses, no commercial hubs, just units and encampments and attacking. This actually worked- was able to eliminate Australia and Indonesia, then had to regroup to digest and build infrastructure for an SV. Was able to achieve SV at turn 279 (see below), but lost a good 20 turns as Saladin DOWed me twice. I had to use the gold I had saved to purchase a spaceport to get units to defend against his modern armor armies. which meant it took me ~20 turns to hard build the first spaceport. Then I lost another 15 turns getting to Offworld Mission after reaching Smart Materials (used Carl Sagan to launch the Exoplanet expedition immediately).

Spoiler :

I definitely need to figure out how to develop peacefully better- I just couldn't do it with Kongo on this map. Still enjoy playing the civ, but liked it much better for a culture victory- feels very generic for an SV.

arthur486 · Jan 3, 2022

SV @ T198
This was both my shortest science victory (in number of turns) and my longest one (as it took 3 months to complete).

I eliminated Australia, Indonesia and Saladin, and farmed everyone else. I could have sped up the late game by preparing a few more Spaceports (had only 2) and Lagrange missions. Was also caught by the 3 Musket eureka, which wasted a turn of research... always something new to try out next time.

Thanks for the game 6otM team and Happy New Year everyone!

Victoria · Jan 3, 2022

arthur486 said:
Was also caught by the 3 Musket eureka

3 line infantry is a bit harder to get I guess

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