[Vote] (8-02) Arabia

[hokath]

Choose which components you want to see for Arabia!

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(8-02) 4UC Arabia

This is a thread for discussing the addition of 2 more unique components to the Arabian civilization.

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Proposer: @pineappledan
Sponsor(s): @azum4roll

New Unit - Hashemite Raider (replaces Light Tank):
unlocked at Combustion
1300 Production cost
does not require Aluminum
58 CS, 52 RCS
5 Movement
"Garland Mine" (No Movement Points used on Pillage. 15 Damage to adjacent Enemy Units on Pillage)
"Desert Raider" (Double Movement and +25% CS on Desert)
is a Mounted Unit instead of Mechanized

New Building - Bimaristan (replaces University):
available at Education
300 Production cost
+3 Food and +3 Science
Specialists in the city generate +1 Food
+1 Science to Jungle and Snow
1 Scientist Specialist Slot
-1 Unhappiness from Illiteracy
15% of Faith Purchases in city converted to Science and Food
25% of the Science Output of the City as an instant boost to your current Research on Citizen Birth

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(8-02a) 4UC Arabia: Numbers Nerf and A Different UU2

Links: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-02-4uc-arabia.690024 https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-02a-8-08a-arabia-byzantium-4uc-swap.690578/ UA - One Thousand and One Nights When you complete a Historic Event, your :c5capital: Capital gains +1 :c5science: Science and :c5culture...

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Proposer: @azum4roll
Sponsor(s): @Recursive

UA Change: When you complete a Historic Event, your Capital gains +1 Science and Culture, and 10% towards the progress of a random Great Person.

New Unit - Baghlah (replaces Frigate)
Unlocks at Navigation
Standard costs
27 (+2) 36 (+1)
5 (+1)
Envelopment (+10% Flanking bonus. Benefit from Flanking when ranged attacking Units (does not factor in Adjacent Enemy Units).)
Note: this only counts the number of units surrounding the target that it considers enemy.

New Building - Bimaristan (replaces University)
Unlocks at Education
Standard costs and maintenance
+3 Food and +3 Science
+1 Science to Jungle and Snow
1 Scientist Slot
-1 Unhappiness from Illiteracy
15% of Faith Purchases in city converted to Science and Food
Specialists in the city generate +1 Food
Gain instant Science equal to 25% of City's Science output when a Citizen is born
Gain instant Food equal to 100% of City's Science output when researching a Technology

Old Unit - Camel Archer (replaces Heavy Skirmisher)
Unlocks at Physics
Standard costs
Does not require Horses
19 (+2) 16 (+2)
No Defensive Terrain Bonuses
Can Move After Attacking
City Attack Penalty
Naval Target Penalty
Skirmisher Doctrine
Desert Raider (Ignore Terrain Cost in Desert. +25% Combat Strength in Desert.)

Old Building - Bazaar (replaces Market)
Unlocks at Trade
Standard costs and maintenance
+3 +2 +1
+50% Land Trade Route range
Trade Route completion triggers Historic Event (strength 6)
Incoming Trade Route +1 for this City and +1 for the Trade Route owner
Cinnamon: +1 +1
Sugar: +1 +1

 

[Rustonreddit]

About the complain in Azum proposal that "how is Arabia ever going to need a frigate? Their whole thing is to go tall and turtle up. I think it's going to be a mostly unused component now." Arabia wants to get coastal to send cargo ships to other civs for historical events, so the new frigate will have a place in the civ strategy

 

[azum4roll]

Which is very historical!

 

[Cebrudras]

I play a lot of Arabia and Hashemite Raiders are actually really fun and see a surprising amount of usage. When you get close to victory a lot of attacks happen, so an early strategic-free unit unlock is incredibly welcome. Defending against an invasion with a wacky army that mostly consists of freshly purchased skirmishers is a hilarious experience.

I wouldn't know what to do with the frigate, though. My naval strategy mostly consists of being skittish about settling on coast and prioritizing defense buildings. I usually don't have the production and unit cap for anything ambitious on that front.

I also conceptually really like having UU tank-replacement that's just a really good horse. Shows that some Civs successfully stuck with the basics and kinda represents what a mess early tanks were.

 

[hokath]

Yeah I also really like Hashemite's flavor. Having some later UUs is great for variety and this one really works for me.

I like Baglah too, but you can't drop the iconic Camels!
Gah.

 

[pineappledan]

My understanding is that @azum4roll has proposed a replacement of Ethiopia’s UU with a new Oromo UU using the same art assets as the current Arabian Hashemite UU. This puts us in a bit of a bind, because if his Ethiopia proposal wins and his Arabia proposal fails then we have 2 UUs for different civs that look identical.

As of writing it looks like both of Azum’s proposals will pass, so the problem will be averted, but Maybe Ethiopia and Arabia’s votes should be collapsed into a single thread?

 

[hokath]

Let's cross that bridge if we come to it.
Indeed we can't use the same model for two different units, but surely more are available.

 

[Rekk]

Let's cross that bridge if we come to it.
Indeed we can't use the same model for two different units, but surely more are available.

No one has come up with anything. Surely this should have been figured out by the end of the sponsorship phase.

 

[azum4roll]

Let's cross that bridge if we come to it.
Indeed we can't use the same model for two different units, but surely more are available.

We already do with Scythed Chariots.

 

[hokath]

Right. I guess I meant texture, not model.
I'm sure we can work it out, though these epic hats might not be possible with paint.net alone

 

[pineappledan]

I have a scythed chariot model, but it caused game crashes for some people. It exists, it just needs a little debugging.

I really hate that a stopgap, temporary measure I have been forced to make because of reported game crashes is somehow being used as evidence for some art assets Calvinball. I have done as much as I can to keep art and units distinct.

 

[jarcast2]

Baghlah art assets (icons and 3d model) from MC's Oman.

 

[hokath]

Hashemite survives by 1 vote :O

 

[pineappledan]

My understanding is that @azum4roll has proposed a replacement of Ethiopia’s UU with a new Oromo UU using the same art assets as the current Arabian Hashemite UU. This puts us in a bit of a bind, because if his Ethiopia proposal wins and his Arabia proposal fails then we have 2 UUs for different civs that look identical.

As of writing it looks like both of Azum’s proposals will pass, so the problem will be averted, but Maybe Ethiopia and Arabia’s votes should be collapsed into a single thread?

Hashemite survives by 1 vote :O

And thus the exact thing I suggested that maybe we should take steps to prevent has come to pass.

 

[azum4roll]

Great, now we have an early unlock Light Tank that can do AOE damage on both pillage and attack, have double movement in desert AND withdraw from melee.

 

[Recursive]

Timestamp post to arrange all the threads in a neat order.