A case for forum members easing up on 2K a bit

[arstal]

Working, excellent MP can bee done without Steam, and has been done plenty of times before.

Most likely 2K just slashed the dev budget to force Firaxis into some compromises and rushing.

 

[azzaman333]

What kind of difference does this make?
Yes, for me mp is of no interest. Yet, I have never denied the fact that to other people it is of interest.

In addition, I am pretty sure that many people would have expected the PBEM/hotseat features to be available from day 1 on, as these are gaming options which have been available and used in previous versions.

(And I am intentionally not referring to the Pitboss functionality, because it came late for Civ4 too. [Although Civ4 did not have the time and money saving Steamworks under the hood - so why do we face the same delay in both versions of the game?])

Maybe.
Yet, if they can be implemented later on in an easier way than other stuff could be added later, chances seem to be good that it would have been even more easy to implement them in time.

It is just a fact that those three sub-elements have been stated to come later. To me, this seems to contradict a bit the assertion that Steam really did save time and/or money.

/shrug

If you don't want it, don't buy it, and stop whining about it.

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[need my speed]

The irony of seeing this on a civ community message board is. . . illuminating

Civ V will come with an in game browser which will allow you to access this community (and other similar sites)...from within the game; look for and launch mods...from within the game; mods which can be hosted by Steam or by sites such as this. All of which will be facilitated by the Steamworks API.

The entire civ community will have access to mods, not just those of use who frequent sites such as CFC. I would think that this would be really exciting news for the (current and future) modding community. All of which, again, will be facilitated by the Steamworks API.

It sounds like you can't see the value in any of that, but some of us do. Was it something I would have thought to include? Nope. But I'm glad they did.

Yes, as I've said, I've absolutely no need for that. If people want mods, they will look for them. They will probably find this site, see 'Downloads' and declare a 'We love the President' day. If I want mods, I'll look here, or use Google.

And yes, it is probably easier (for the user) to be able to search for mods directly on Steam. But why would Steam then be necessary? I don't want Steam, the only thing it does is allows the searching for mods in game, that's kind of useless.

But, with community nonsenses, I meant chat groups and seeing what your friends are doing, those things.

 

[treadwin]

I think the anti-steam crowd just have to come to terms with the fact that 2K will probably make as much money with Steam, as they would if 5 times as many people bought the game using a traditional distribution model.

Added to the fact that they would have needed a multiplayer platform anyway, and probably did save them some time and effort (and the need to pay another site for hosting multiplayer), this makes the desicion a no-brainer for them.

I had the disc version of Civ4 and bought the Steam Version, so that I could get the benefits of mobility and not having to travel everywhere with the disk. The offline play works like a charm, and I have no idea (other than over-zealous conservatism) why anyone should complain about something that only has a positive effect.

Take your tin-foil hats off guys, you will survive!

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