A direct word to Atari/Firaxis on the Byzantine empire

[Xen]

but its NOT Byzantine

 

[Civrules]

Do a Dromon search on google.

 

[Xen]

the coin, not the ship....

 

[Civrules]

Who cares! It is a dromon!
That shows how unique it is/was.

 

[Xen]

the Dromon itself isnt unique to Byzantium either- only "Greek" fire was- ship designs are NEVER unique!

 

[Civrules]

But, Xen, the Byzantines used it, not the Greeks.

BTW, this thread is becoming unique in its own way.

 

[Alex the Great]

This is a hard issue to take a stance on. Both the Catapracht and the dromon would have coool battle animations. (Greek fire and heavy cavalry )

 

[pawpaw]

google states that it was reverse evolution, a step back to simpler designs--thus not unique if its based on other peoples designs

 

[Civrules]

This is like saying that the Mig fighter is not unique. Because the Americans discovered flight.

 

[Xen]

@ civ rules- its still called greek fire perhaps you dont know as much about it as you think...

there is still NO justifacation for using a ship as land based powers UU- it has a single shining point in history, and then what do we hear about it-nadda! nothing, zippo, none, nothing, negative of somthing, null.

whiule the cataphracts were the troops of choice for byzantine generals!

 

[ChrTh]

The real question is: is one of the Byzantines' traits Seafaring? (I'm guessing it'll be Religious as well, but that's debatable)

 

[Xen]

as I said in the other thread- that is herasy pure and simple , though that would be an acceptable waist if the Byzantines got a Cataphract, hells, I'd accept no traits for the Byzantines if we got cataphracts...

 

[Civrules]

No idea, but yes, they had huge naval power and if so, then the dromon deserves to be the UU.

 

[ChrTh]

[hijack]

Hey Xen, how good is Norwich's Short History of Byzantium? Anything else recommendable (and no, I'm not going to read his complete history, so that's out )? I have the Norwich, but haven't gotten to it yet.

[/hijack]

 

[Xen]

they didnt have a huge navy though...

 

[Xen]

where can I find the short history?

 

[ChrTh]

Not only did they not have a huge Navy, did they even do anything with it? I can't think of a single Byzantine naval battle.

 

[ChrTh]

Originally posted by Xen
where can I find the short history?

Bookstore. B&N stocks it constantly, and most libraries have it available.

 

[pawpaw]

Originally posted by Xen
they didnt have a huge navy though...

to invade cyprus or was it crete in the 900's the emperor had to beg,barrow and steal ships, @900 byzantium was near its height

 

[Xen]

the only one is when the inital introduction of Greek fire was used- and that was IT, the most it ever got to see after that was minor skirmishes with the kinds of forces that might make a single unit hit point, usually against pirates, and raiders...