A place for violence

[Timsup2nothin]

Well you can't really criticise me for answering "how would you react to this scenario" by saying how I would react to the scenario as I see it described, and as it's described I see no indication that it's about to get violent. Yes, you said he charged into his space, but you then said he was "getting close enough to be heard speaking in a low voice" and what he said appeared to be daring the other guy to make a move. He then breaks eye contact with the guy and looks at me. He's still not hit anyone. To me it looks like he's trying to provoke someone else into making the first move. You wrote a scenario which is very open to interpretation, but then you're getting annoyed that I'm not interpreting it the way you wanted it to be interpreted. Why didn't you just write it in a less ambiguous way if you don't want people to come up with their own interpretations?

But in any case, I did also say how I would react (or might react at least) if it did get violent. I also explained why I would act the way I said I would act. So is that not a complete answer?

What makes you think I'm annoyed? I've acknowledged the completeness of your answer given the assumptions you made at least three times. That may get annoying eventually if you make me keep doing it, but it hasn't yet.

 

[Akka]

What makes you think I'm annoyed?

TBH, you definitely seems somewhat annoyed. Or at least trying to squeeze something you want to be here from him (be it the answer you want, or an answer allowing you to judge him in a way you want).

 

[Timsup2nothin]

TBH, you definitely seems somewhat annoyed. Or at least trying to squeeze something you want to be here from him (be it the answer you want, or an answer allowing you to judge him in a way you want).

I need no evidence to "judge him in a way that I want." There's enough water under that bridge that this thread was highly unlikely to change the conversation, on either side.

 

[Akka]

No "evidence", it's just a perception feeling coming from how the conversation went. Hence the "seem".

 

[Manfred Belheim]

What makes you think I'm annoyed?

The numerous clues in what you've written which all indicate annoyance. One doesn't generally tell people to leave threads with a smile on one's face and a song in one's heart for example.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That was practical, not annoyance...and enjoyable as well.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

What was remotely practical about it? Anyway, whether you were annoyed or not, there was more than enough in what you said that would indicate that it was at least a likely possibility to make it not really worth asking me why I thought it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What was remotely practical about it? Anyway, whether you were annoyed or not, there was more than enough in what you said that would indicate that it was at least a likely possibility to make it not really worth asking me why I thought it.

You had answered the question in a cursory fashion, and indicated you were not going to participate any further in any other capacity than as a continuing critic about what you considered an inadequately vague OP. That wasn't going to forward the conversation, so as a practical matter it would have been better for you to just go your way.

 

[Lexicus]

That was practical, not annoyance...and enjoyable as well.

I hate when people mistake my amused contempt for anger.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

You had answered the question in a cursory fashion, and indicated you were not going to participate any further in any other capacity than as a continuing critic about what you considered an inadequately vague OP. That wasn't going to forward the conversation, so as a practical matter it would have been better for you to just go your way.

That doesn't make it practical for you to tell me to go away though does it?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I hate when people mistake my amused contempt for anger.

If you hate it, aren't you then also angry? Or is that just Yoda.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That doesn't make it practical for you to tell me to go away though does it?

Apparently not, since you are still here derailing the topic.

But, the conversation had pretty much run its course anyway, so if you want to make the thread about me making fun of you I'm certainly willing. Or we can just let it die.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Well I'm more commenting on you saying things that are incorrect really. If anyone else feels like re-railing it I'm not stopping them.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

As I said, by the time you came along the people who were interested had already discussed the topic at length. If it weren't for you keeping the thread alive with your critique of the OP and the little back and forth over your refusal to participate it would have dropped off the first page, never to be seen again. Now it's just a platform for making fun of you.

 

[Lexicus]

Rather like posting "Facebook is stupid" as a Facebook status, eh?

 

[christos200]

Soooooo...what is the appropriate action here?

At first, I would just let the UCLP handle the job but if the racist dad turned violent or was too aggressive I would intervene and politely ask him to be less aggressive. I do not think violence on my part would help the UCLP. Also I do not think he would lose his job so easily if he handled the case politely and without letting his anger control him.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

At first, I would just let the UCLP handle the job but if the racist dad turned violent or war too aggressive I would intervene and politely ask him to be less aggressive. I do not think violence on my part would help the UCLP. Also I do not think he would lose his job so easily if he handled the case politely and without letting his anger control him.

So, where is your line on "violent or too aggressive"?

If punches are being exchanged do you really see any point in "excuse me sir, but please be less aggressive"?

If the UCLP politely lets someone use him as a punching bag maybe he won't get fired in the aftermath, but there are ample examples in the world of corporate retail where "you may be right but you aren't worth defending" rules the day. When the store manager says to the regional manager "there was a fight in the store between a customer and our UCLP" the next thing the regional manager expects to hear is "the UCLP has been let go." Trying to defend any other decision is hard, and will be questioned at length, and will cast doubts on the judgement of the store manager.

Interesting question this raised that no one has addressed so far...

Is the blatant use of a racial slur, with the apparent understanding that you will accept such use due to your shared skin color, not call for at least the kind of "polite rebuke" that Christos is advocating for "violence or excessive aggression"? Are we really people who will just "let that go" since it wasn't directed at ourselves?

 

[zxcvbob]

So, where is your line on "violent or too aggressive"?

If punches are being exchanged do you really see any point in "excuse me sir, but please be less aggressive"?

If the UCLP politely lets someone use him as a punching bag maybe he won't get fired in the aftermath, but there are ample examples in the world of corporate retail where "you may be right but you aren't worth defending" rules the day. When the store manager says to the regional manager "there was a fight in the store between a customer and our UCLP" the next thing the regional manager expects to hear is "the UCLP has been let go." Trying to defend any other decision is hard, and will be questioned at length, and will cast doubts on the judgement of the store manager.

Interesting question this raised that no one has addressed so far...

Is the blatant use of a racial slur, with the apparent understanding that you will accept such use due to your shared skin color, not call for at least the kind of "polite rebuke" that Christos is advocating for "violence or excessive aggression"? Are we really people who will just "let that go" since it wasn't directed at ourselves?

so Racist Dad isn't the real bad guy here, it's Corporate America? You really do think you're Frank Castle!* Or perhaps just trying to rationalize some past bad behavior.

*aka The Punisher

 

[Akka]

I don't think he's saying that Racist Dad isn't the bad guy, rather explaining that the UCLP has no real way to get out of the situation without being abused.

 

[christos200]

So, where is your line on "violent or too aggressive"?

If punches are being exchanged do you really see any point in "excuse me sir, but please be less aggressive"?

Well, I am not much of a fighter and I rather have a tendency to be (sometimes extremely) polite to other people (even if insults are directed me), so I would not do anything aside from a polite rebuke.