Abortion!!!!!!!!!

[bathsheba666]

I wrote a very convincing argument against abortion a while back. Enjoy
Even if a fetus is not a person, abortion is still wrong

Actually, I found your text a very convincing argument for abortion.
Go figure

 

[Fifty]

An embryo/fetus is a living being. If it happens to be growing in a female human's womb, then it also happens to be human.

What do you mean by living being? That it is made of living cells? Does that mean destruction of a cancerous tumor in the womb would be immoral?

We aren't expected, however, to go out of our way to care for random, uninvited strangers.

Indeed, but we ARE expected to not engage in the murder of random strangers!

 

[Atlas14]

Well, for what its worth I am pro-abortion as long as it is done before the 6th week of pregnancy, which is when the fetus begins to develop neuro signals and a simple brain. But Mathilda has said before that it is difficult for women to even know if they are pregnant in that 6 week time period.

 

[Fifty]

Well, for what its worth I am pro-abortion as long as it is done before the 6th week of pregnancy, which is when the fetus begins to develop neuro signals and a simple brain.

How is the beginning of brain activity relevant?

 

[Atlas14]

Because that is how we essentially tell if an animal is alive or not, if there is brain activity.

 

[Fifty]

Because that is how we essentially tell if an animal is alive or not, if there is brain activity.

And there are many animals with brains that the killing of which is generally considered morally permissable. Ever eat meat?

 

[Atlas14]

And there are many animals with brains that the killing of which is generally considered morally permissable. Ever eat meat?

Yes, that is why after the 6th week, it is not ok to have an abortion, there is a simple brain and brain activity.

Edit: I think I read your post wrong. Killing humans though with a brain and one that is funtioning is not permissable though. We permit it for animals because we need a source of food. We do not need to eat or kill humans.

 

[GenMarshall]

The slaughter of an innocent unborn child in my eyes is morally wrong. One should not kill another human being, especially if the human being is yet to be born.

If you don't want to have babies, don't have sex.

 

[Xanikk999]

The slaughter of an innocent unborn child in my eyes is morally wrong. One should not kill another human being, especially if the human being is yet to be born.

If you don't want to have babies, don't have sex.

CG im just curious. I wont ridicule or question your beilefs but do you think its ok to use condoms?

Oh and reply to my euthanasia thread also if you didnt already.

 

[capslock]

What do you mean by living being? That it is made of living cells? Does that mean destruction of a cancerous tumor in the womb would be immoral?

No, its a seperate being. Its not part of the mother, like a skin cell, or kidney, or tumor. It has its own unique set of dna and is living/growing for itself, not as part of the mother.

Indeed, but we ARE expected to not engage in the murder of random strangers!

Unfortunately, the only means for evicting the stranger in this case results in its death. But it doesn't change the fact that the woman has no responsibity to care for it, and doesn't have to put up with its presence if she doesn't want to. If a bum begs you for food and dies of starvation after you refuse, are you a murderer? What if your young child asks for food?

In one case, you don't have a responsibity to care for the guy, in the other you do.

 

[Atlas14]

The slaughter of an innocent unborn child in my eyes is morally wrong. One should not kill another human being, especially if the human being is yet to be born.

If you don't want to have babies, don't have sex.

Abstaining from sex can cause serious psycological problems in people, and might not be the best suggestion for a lot of people if we desire to keep society relatively safe.

 

[GenMarshall]

CG im just curious. I wont ridicule or question your beilefs but do you think its ok to use condoms?

I believe that it is not alright to use condoms. However, other people can use them though I still see the use of condoms as immoral.

 

[Fifty]

Yes, that is why after the 6th week, it is not ok to have an abortion, there is a simple brain and brain activity.

That doesn't make sense in light of what I have said.

You are saying that abortion is not morrally permissable after week 6 because of brain activity, because brain activity is what diferentiates animals from non-animals (which isn't, AFAIK, even really true in terms of how biologists define the term animal). How do you reconcile this view of immoral killing with the fact that humans have and will continue to kill animals on large scales on a daily basis? Are you saying killing anything with a rudimentary brain is immoral? That just seems nuts to me and wouldn't be a proposition I'd be likely to accept unless you can come up with a real good reason for my doing so.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

Abortion: yes or no?
I say no if it is some half-conscious choice. If the woman didn't want the baby, too bad, so sad. There were methods around that, you know.
If, however, an abortion must be performed for medical reasons, so be it.

Also, a woman should never abort after the sixth week if she can help it; when the fetus begins development of its neural system, it is able to feel pain. Imagine drowning with pins stuck into your body... and I mean really big ones. The kind that acupuncturists gone wild would use...

 

[Atlas14]

That doesn't make sense in light of what I have said.

You are saying that abortion is not morrally permissable after week 6 because of brain activity, because brain activity is what diferentiates animals from non-animals (which isn't, AFAIK, even really true in terms of how biologists define the term animal). How do you reconcile this view of immoral killing with the fact that humans have and will continue to kill animals on large scales on a daily basis? Are you saying killing anything with a rudimentary brain is immoral? That just seems nuts to me and wouldn't be a proposition I'd be likely to accept unless you can come up with a real good reason for my doing so.

I know, I went back and edited my post. We need animals for food, humans do not need other humans for food, nor do we need to be arbitrarily killing them for sport. We kill animals with functioning brains for both food and sport for logical reasons. For food, obviously we get our nutrients. For sport, we are maintaining balanced ecosystems when managed correctly.

 

[rsuttles58]

Very good point. I look forward to seeing you around more.

Gracias. I am here on the Sid Meier's Railroads bandwagon...guessing they fix its problems. I also played the Civ series a lot but never made my way here until now.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Abstaining from sex can cause serious psycological problems in people, and might not be the best suggestion for a lot of people if we desire to keep society relatively safe.

If abstinence messes people up, they probably shouldn't be procreating anyway.

 

[Ansar]

It should be legal, IMHO.

Tell people the risks of abortion and tell them to decide if they want to abort or not.

 

[Xanikk999]

If abstinence messes people up, they probably shouldn't be procreating anyway.

People usually dont abstinate by choice though.. At least most teenage boys dont...

 

[Atlas14]

If abstinence messes people up, they probably shouldn't be procreating anyway.

But they do anyway...all the time. We'd probably be surprised at how many people would be completely different psycologicall and personality wise if they had to abstain from sex for long, long periods (after about the age 17). Of course masturbation can take the place and keep people fine, but those in favor of abstinence only generally don't approve of masturbation.