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Welcome to the ACLU
The Angry Citizens Union .. Leauge.​
Okay, the L was added so we could use ACLU, but thats the only funny thing about this.
This is the first citizens group of DG5. It will remain as long as there are problems with this game, and this will serve as a forum to voice those complaints and not be shuned for them. This group will be angry. We will be intense to get things done. We will not take lightly Attorney Generals who sing bad songs about flying birds.

Most importantly, though, we will not let this game die from petty squabbling about laws, regulations and rules.

Our Motto:

Demo*Game*. It's a game. Fun and all that. Play nice.​
Made extra big so people will remember that its true.
 
This is the board of our primary agendas. And our member list. Here you can find who is a card carrying member of the ACLU... like I want to be in RL

Agenda 1: Get the game started.
Proposition: The ACLU suggests that all active members should abandon game if said game has not yet begun by September the 1st, GMT. (That is 8pm EST/ACLU time)
 
Please count me in your members, for I am also a very angry citizen.

Some may say that I disappeared in DG4, but that was for two principal reasons: the two months of lawset bickering that took place between DG3 and 4 and the very atmosphère of DG4.

The lawset bickering has already taken 2 months now, and it is gearing in for another month! This is unnacceptable. Remember that the game is all about gameplay and participation in the game itself, not a PhD lawyer competition.

And the atmoshère is made by the lawset. Get the lawset flexible and open and the game is going to get funnier than DG3 and 4, and maybe more than 1 or 2.

Here is what I propose : get the constitution adopted by the 23rd of july, the lawset by the 25th of july, and the game can begin in two weeks time!

This is how I want to do it:the current constitution proposal (as in the first post of each of the discussion threads) is good enough to get the game going well and healthy. Then, look back at the lawset we had in DG2, and readopt it, à la sauce du jour. If you find it restrictive, think that it had loopholes, etc., remember that you will have to power, as Citizen, to amend the lawset, constitution and code of lawalike. If you think that a specific law is unfair, then you can still get it amended within the game, there is no problem to do so.

If we do that, we'll get a demogame in August, and we'll be able to keep the few DGers that remain.

Remeber : it is a game!

edit: got it less personnal
 
Nice to see you, CT. :)

When were you going to let us know that? We don't even have a ruleset in place.

Come to think of it, I would like to join this group as well. You see, I am sick and tired of people complaining about the ruleset and doing nothing to help it along. The ruleset is the only thing that distinguishes this game from an ordinary succession game, so leave your toys here for a moment and join the discussions.

Besides, if voting keeps going the way it is on everything, it is probably already too late to save this game. We have one group that just wants to play play play and another that would like to maintain the DGs flavor as a simulated government. Alas, as the ranks of the latter group has diminished, we find ourselves once again heading toward a free-for-all during elections, unsuccessful candidates becoming the deputy of their rivals, and yet another cakewalk at Monarch with no plans to use in-game roleplaying to offset this crutch.

Heck, you may as well start the game in 4 days, CT. It is already doomed. :lol: But perhaps you should move the forum to the Succession games Forum first.

Which reminds me................

When can we expect to see a DG5 Forum?? :confused:
 
Donovan Zoi said:
Which reminds me................

When can we expect to see a DG5 Forum?? :confused:
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ill join, though from viewing this thread, my thread and cycs thread with so many people complaining about not starting why has it not started ages ago? :crazyeye:
 
Donovan Zoi said:
Heck, you may as well start the game in 4 days, CT. It is already doomed. :lol: But perhaps you should move the forum to the Succession games Forum first.
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Succession games forum? :confused:
 
Chieftess said:
Moderator Action: Let's just keep it civil in here. An election cycle will start on the 23rd wheter we like it or not. We can't go a third month without a demogame.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
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So the history of the previous DG and the chaotic beginning mean nothing?

CT, such an arbitrary date would be a tragic decision. While I quite understand the desire to get the game moving, a much more appropriate time would have been for a moderator to be the lead for the ruleset discussions, from the beginning.

At this point, perhaps the only way to start on the 23rd will be for you (and the other mods) to unilaterly create a ruleset.

Good luck.

-- Ravensfire
 
ravensfire said:
So the history of the previous DG and the chaotic beginning mean nothing?
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Yes the chaotic beginning of the previous DG means something. Unfortunately there will be some citizens who refuse to learn the lesson of the last DG. Hopefully they will step across the forum rules line and get themselves banned, and save us all the trouble of ignoring them.


It's a *game*.

The easiest way to avoid getting bogged down in complaints about the rules, is


Don't complain about the rules -- just play the game!


OK, got that out of my system -- but please, let's just have a friendly game which happens to be structured as a democracy, and not a game about how to structure the perfect democracy. :D
 
I wish to join this citizens group.

I am an avocate on playing the Demogame like if I was playing Monopoly, Poker, or any table game with other people. I always remember the immortal words of Danke, "Demo*game*, Fun and all that. Play nice"
 
If I hear Danke's infamous quote again, I think I am going to lose it. :mad: Not that I have anything against Danke; in fact I believe he was a vital contributor to DG1 and his quote made perfect sense at the time it originated. However this quote always seems to be used out of context to support the "dumbing down" of our nation by just scribbling out any ruleset so the turnchats can begin, trout-slapping and all. :rolleyes:.

As has been said before several times, this game is not only about the fun of the turnchats, but is also about proper debate in the forwarding of a nation. And a key element of this is to bring forth a workable ruleset.

So ACLU elders, are you part of the solution or part of the problem? If it is the latter, then the Succession Games Forum awaits.......
 
donovan i appreciate how we may have needed to talk about the rules for the first month but after that well it just got a wee bit silly. i believe we are part of the solution.
 
Yeah, rushing this is a really good solution. Impatience is a virtue, after all. ;)

You want a game or a pile of crap*? Because the rules are the structure of the game, and I don't think rushing through them is going to work too well. The previous rules seemed to be pretty flawed, so I have been trying to fix them. That takes time. Most things do. And it isn't exactly fun to argue over chat stoppage. But if you'd perfer, we could charge in and then get screwed when we get in a war without enough people to stop a chat. I'm sure that would all make us happier than enjoying our summers without having to spend hours inside every evening to play a game.

You can brave killing this game by making a good constitution, or by rushing through it. I perfer the first. This is the only succession-like game I can participate in (I only have Vanilla), unlike most of you. I'm willing to wait as long as it takes. Considering you can distract yourselves if you're bored, I don't see why you can't either. The people that left will return. And more people will be around when it isn't summer, anyway.

Oh, and it should be ACUL. Or, better yet, ACU. :p

* please tell me I can say "crap." :p

EDIT: I bet my rule-less Direct Democracy games sounds good now, doesn't it? :p
 
BCLG100 said:
donovan i appreciate how we may have needed to talk about the rules for the first month but after that well it just got a wee bit silly. i believe we are part of the solution.
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Exactly : this thread has already seen the birth of our 23rd of july elections. This is already a major improvement, even if Chieftess would have done it anyway.
 
Donovan Zoi said:
As has been said before several times, this game is not only about the fun of the turnchats, but is also about proper debate in the forwarding of a nation. And a key element of this is to bring forth a workable ruleset.
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I don't know about anyone else, but the most annoying thing for me about DG4 was the constant complaints about the rules, and lack of focus on the actual game. It's why I would like to see "frivolous lawsuit" protection. Frankly, I got tired of opening threads to discuss in-game issues and getting input from a very limited set of people. Hopefully more people will contribute to the game itself this time around.
 
DaveShack said:
Yes the chaotic beginning of the previous DG means something. Unfortunately there will be some citizens who refuse to learn the lesson of the last DG. Hopefully they will step across the forum rules line and get themselves banned, and save us all the trouble of ignoring them.
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Why thanks for the backhanded slap! 'Perciate it. Really. Such a useful addition to the debate. About as useful, in fact, as this post is.

-- Ravensfire
 
I'd like to join this group and let off steam before it turns into angst.
 
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