Add the DUTCH

[Tavenier]

Wikpedia, Don't fail me now.

-The Dutch East India Company was the first to issue shares
-Most important trading centre in North Europe during the 80 Years War
-Founded New Amsterdam (New York)
-Had Colonies in Brazil, South Africa and the West Indies
-Survived a War with France, England and Spain at once.

That's all the great achievements I can find.

And the Dutch were the only ones in modern times to occupy parts of England. What Hitler or Napoleon couldn't do, the Dutch did. And I say that just because you are British. It is not that big an achievement, because the Netherlands were for a little while the masters of the seas, followed by England. And if you have a bigger and more powerful fleet then England, then invasion is easy.

I do think the Netherlands should be in an expansion. Certainly not in the original. Germany, Russia, China or Egypt are way more important, but after the first 15 logical civs then the Netherlands should be one of the first of the smaller (not only in size, but more in importance) to be in an expansion. Ofcourse the Dutch were vital in economical history. Shares, stockmarkets, world trade: all that was catapulted by the Dutch. England took over that role. Quite easy, because when Holland was invaded (1672) by Munster, Cologne but most importantly France England took away the Dutch colonies. Ironically the English were utterly defeated by the Dutch at sea so they had to cancel any invasions and let the Germans and French to all the hard work. Then they took all the goodies in the form of a lot of colonies. Very well job indeed.

And then there is culture. I think after Italy (which has the largest influence on art-history in the world by far) the Netherland could be one of the most influental countries. Rembrandt and van Gogh are just two of the Dutch masters who represent a whole era of art. What Rommel is for warfare and Shakespeare is to literature, van Gogh is for modern art.

 

[fugazi]

The country might be small but The Netherlands always had a rather large population. England's population wasn't that big really in medieval and late medieval times.

But hey, people apparently pick up an atlas, judge a country on the first thing(s) that pop in their head and proclaim in their godly arrogance their verdict to fellow forumers.

Oh, add The Netherlands by the way.

 

[Julian Delphiki]

Had to come check this "add civ" thread too, and it seems to strenghten my case that Hitler just needs to be mentioned on at least every "add civ" thread. Someone started that even on Canada-thread...

 

[Hawkeye2007]

Dude, if the Malinese are in, then why aren't the Dutch. The Malinese did pretty much nothing in their entire existence.
Plus if your going to add somebody, don't add a historically unimportant place, (cough canada) add somewhere where weed is legal.

 

[Willowmound]

Oh dear, more stupidity.

I mean ignorance.

No, actually, I mean stupidity.

 

[Jewman]

holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit look at what i have started

 

[Jewman]

OOOH yes talking about expansions and new civs, u think they gonna come out with a new expansion pack * a $ 20.00 i hope which just includes a few new things, a couple new scenario and 8 new civs ormaybe even 10

I VOTE ALL THE CIV3C civs because they had dutch, portuguese, maya, sumerians, those gguys from Anatollia, and they had the other people (no way i can remember theyre namese) so yeaa DUTCH SHOUDL STILL BE IN

 

[Zenon_pt]

And ADD the PORTUGUESE!!!
(orange juice in the morning... hum!!! )

 

[Jewman]

portuguese not so sure about but Wat the hell add that too.

 

[SkippyT]

The Dutch definitely has a lot more right to be in the game than some of the civilizatoins that are currently in. The Zulu civilization, celts, and vikings.

I disagree. The Viking empire (Scandinavia) was waaay greater than the Dutch - ever. Did the Dutch have an empire stretching from the Crimea to Newfoundland? I guess not.
The Scandinavians had colonies too, you know: The Danish Virgin Islands, Svalbard, Iceland, a large part of Antartica and Greenland.
Did the Dutch conquer the French, the English, the Polish, the Irish, the Russians or the Germans? I guess not.
And yes, the Vikings raided what now is Holland and Belgium.
Sure the Dutch had great artists in the 17th-19th century but the Vikings/Scandinavians had the greatest art of it's time in the 12th-14th century (the Viking sagas)
Sure the Dutch had great ships, but they didn't have the greatest ships of their times like the Vikings/Scandinavians did for over 300 years.

About Celts.
The building of the Stonehenge is enough to put Celts ahead of the Dutch in any historical book.

About Zulus.
The Dutch didn't destroy all their neighbours, did they?

Dude, if the Malinese are in, then why aren't the Dutch. The Malinese did pretty much nothing in their entire existence.

No, they weren't the richest empire in the world, the greatest scientific empire Africa has seen nor did they conquer their neighbours, were they, now?

Plus if your going to add somebody, don't add a historically unimportant place, (cough canada) add somewhere where weed is legal.

Do you think Holland is a liberal country? I'd think again.

My vote is "No".

*gets ready to be kicked down by Dutch people*

 

[Fierabras]

Did the Dutch triumph over...

I guess the standard for CIV-admission has to do with cultural distinctiveness and historical significance and although the Dutch were not quite the warmonger, they did triumph over the French, English, Spanish, etc.

Dutch: financial, organised traits, UU and UB something with shipping (like in CIV gold).

Vikings, Celts and Zulus have the same rights. As well as the Portugese who resemble the Dutch as a seafaring nation.

Poland seems debatable, Frederick from Prussia has been annexated as a German leader, but I am not that familiar with Polish history.

Malinese have rights, but we just don't know them that well.

 

[SkippyT]

I guess the standard for CIV-admission has to do with clutural distinctiveness and historical significance and although the Dutch were not quite the warmonger, they did triumph over the French, English, Spanish, etc.

Oh you get me wrong. When I say triumph - I mean conquer.
I better edit my post.

Did the Dutch conquer the French, the English, the Polish, the Irish, the Russians or the Germans? I guess not.

edited.

 

[Fierabras]

Oh you get me wrong. When I say triumph - I mean conquer.

I guess you are thinking conquerers/warlords expansion. I agree, no land domination by the Dutch, but good enough for a cultural or space-race victory.

 

[SkippyT]

I guess you are thinking conquerers/warlords expansion

Yes.

I agree, no land domination by the Dutch, but good enough for a cultural or space-race victory

Do you mean in the game or real-time? I think I'm misunderstanding you a bit..